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No low beam headlights no wipers no radio no horn and rear…

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No low beam headlights...

No low beam headlights no wipers no radio no horn and rear defrost. I replaced iginion switch load reduction relay and DRL relay.still no help. Can something else be wrong?

Mechanic's Assistant: Have you checked the fuses? Have you checked the bulbs?

All fuse are good but blown.

Mechanic's Assistant: What is the model/year of your VW?

Not blown.

Mechanic's Assistant: What year is your VW?

2002 vw beetle

Mechanic's Assistant: Are you fixing your Beetle yourself? What have you tried so far?

Yes

Submitted: 7 months ago.Category: VW
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VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago
Mechanic01
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Hello my name is ***** ***** welcome to just answers! I will be assisting you with all of your vehicle questions today. Give me one moment while I review your question and come back with a answer. Please be aware I do not know your skill level or abilities so I will be asking a lot of questions and in a lot of cases we will respond to each other quite a lot before we find a solution. As far as phone calls are concerned that is the system prompting you, not me, and they do cost more money, I prefer text but in some cases a phone call is required. If I don’t answer right away or quickly in conversation I am helping another customer or have stepped out for a moment and will respond as soon as I can. Ok lets get started!

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VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

ok so you may have a fuse panel issue, have you checked for actual power at the fuses in each circuit to make sure your getting voltage on each one

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I've check the fuses, they're good but no power in 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 also 1 2 and 3
VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

I would check the main fuse panel for anything blown there and if nothing is blown there you will have to pull each panel and inspect the connectors for burnt or bad connections,

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
When I replaced the new switch the radio stop working. Inginion switch.
VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

something is blown causing the 2nd panel not to receive power, I would think when you put the switch in it blew a main fuse, have you checked the underhood fuse panel for power on all fuses and to also see if they are blown

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
You suggest I need a new panel?
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
All fuses underhood are good I check them first.
VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

I dont know without doing some diagnistics, so there is a load reduction relay in a 13 relay panel on drivers side I would check power and ground on that and make sure relay is ok, im looking now for other possible issues

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I've already replace that relay.
VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

you want to verfiy power if your dont have power and ground replacing dosent help

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
That's the problem. No power. Why?
VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

something is burnt or broken you need to pull the panels and inspect the rear connectors to see where the problem is

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VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

fuse 176, 110 amp supplies the 2nd panel with power, I would suspect you have a problem between that and 2nd panel

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Ok.where is fuse 176?
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
What would cause that if that's the case?
VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

thats in the main panel underhood, and a faulty connection would cause this, vw systems melt all the time especially the main panels

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I've replaced the whole panel. I've got power running from that panel. Is there a fuse on fuse link between there and the fuse panel inside the car?
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Certain things ain't getting no power.
VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

so that power it goes into the 13 relay block and comes out to feed the rest of that and also powers the load reduction, im trying to find a pinout of the units so I can tell you what to check for power

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
What and where is the 13 relay? Under the dash?
VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

its the block you replaced the relay in there should be 13 there

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VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

so I cant find a pinout of the relay block ill have to open this back up to the others for help if you would like, or i can continue helping you

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Nope.What's the relay number?
VW Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician replied 7 months ago

I thought you said you replaced it?

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
The black and yellow wire running to the relay panel is Not hot. Is it suppose to be?
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Why Am I not getting power to the other sources?
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I replaced the load reduction relay....
VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago
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Thanks for choosing Just Answer . I'm Wolfgang here to help!!

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I do need a vin # to get the factory wiring diagram to assist!!

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
ViN no.3VWCB21C32M41205
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
NO power to the low beam headlights A/C horn wipers signal lights radio reel defroster. Replace ignition switch, load reduction relay,DRL relay,check fuses none blown but no power to them. Check fuses underhood,all good. Everything else working fine.
VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago
Let look at the diagram. Get your voltmeter ready. Will get back asap
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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
What's up? Have you any answer yet?
VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago

no answer because of vin not valid please double check!!

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
3VWCB21C32M414205
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
You get the number? Waiting for a response.
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
264 with switch on and 268 with switch off.
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Same reading under the hood on the fuse box 268.
VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago
Can you take a pic of the outside fuse box on top of battery and post here.That is 2.64 volts?
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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
That's the reading on the meter,however you wanna call it.
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Camera unavailable
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Sr are you available?
VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago

yes just got online . that relay power comes from the fuse box on top of the battery. that is why i have requested the pic . help me to help you.

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VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago

that can not be because the voltage is no more that 12.6 volts when the battery fully charged and engine not running .

i want you to measure in dc volts from the top fuse box the first red wire next to the black wire . one lead on the wire and the other lead of your meter to ground of the battery please. please show picture to make sure the reading and setting of your meter.

thanks

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Had meter set wrong its 12.19
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
12.1 volts correction
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I check the relay bar underdish yellow and black wire no reading.
VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago

the yello and black is the after the relay when the relay closes . lets do this jump the black/yellow terminal to 7 (6 to 7 on relay panel) do everything work then?

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Yea -12.32
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
12.26
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
The wiper work an fan.but know. Headlights
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Signal Fan wiper work when I jump it from 6 to 7. But no headlights.
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
what's the problem?
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
No headlights no radio when jumping from terminal on the relay 6 to 7. What's going on?
VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago

checking diagram

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Ok
VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago

hey i know you want your vehicle fixed !! you have a compounded issue here . need to take steps on this . note it may need a premium service because of the time that will take to rectify this .

FYI

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Do you have the answer to solve the issue or not?
VW Mechanic: Wolfgang, VW Master Technician replied 7 months ago

right now no because i'm still looking why the load reduction relay is not working correctly!!

AS I HAVE SAID YOU HAVE A COMPOUNDED ISSUE HERE!!

even better i'm sorry i cannot assist any more due to you impatience !!

Have a great day!!

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Its been three days. How much patients I need?
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