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I’m getting a no start no crank on a 2006 tundra. Pretty…

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I’m getting a no start no crank on a 2006 tundra

Mechanic's Assistant: Will the headlights turn on? Is the battery fully charged?

Yes

Mechanic's Assistant: Are you fixing your Tundra yourself? What have you tried so far?

Yes pretty much everything all fuses are good starter relay is good however I’m getting no power to the starter signal wire dash lights all turn on but when I turn the key forward nothing happens

Mechanic's Assistant: Anything else you want the mechanic to know before I connect you?

My OBD two has power but cannot connect to to the computer when I plug it in

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago
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Hi my name is ***** ***** I'll be more than happy to assist you. Please allow me a few minutes to review your information. Thank you

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

What size engine

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
4.7
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

thanks

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

pull the starter relay out. the prongs should be numbered 1,2,3,5 check for 12 volts in slot 5 in the relay plug

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
There is no numbering in the starter relay prongs vehicle side but there is 12 V to one of the prongs on the vehicle side constant 12 V
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

ok, standby

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
number five is hot all the time do you want me to check continuity in the others?
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

no. put a jumper wire between 5 and 3

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
I have done that and it turns over but that’s why bought a new starter relay with the new starter relay nothing happens
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

im not worried about the relay being bad

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

have you tried to start it in neutral

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
I did nothing I actually just pulled the Neutral safety switch connection off and I was going to try to check for voltage on the blue and pink wire I believe while the key is try and forward?
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

reconnect it. pull the starter relay back out. check for 12 volts in slot 1 while someone is holding the key in the start position

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
While grounded to the battery I stick the positive post into slot number one I get
7.5mv
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

while the key is in the start position?

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
bit of info I bought this truck in to do a timing belt water pump drove it into the shop fine customer never have problems starting this vehicle I finished the job then try to start the vehicle to burp the cooling system and that is where I’m at now no start
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

7.5 mv while the key is in the start position?

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
Is slot number 1 where the neutral safety switch comes back into the relay?
Customer reply replied 23 days ago
the key was in the start position not accessory but start all the way forward
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

yes slot 1 ties into the nss also.

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

check the 7.5 amp starter fuse in the same box as the starter relay

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
The 7.5 amp next to the relay is good and when key is turned forward the test light turns on
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

the test light turns on where?

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
It turns on at that 7.5 amp fuse next to the relay when the key is turned forward
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

if it turns on at the fuse and there is no voltage in slot 1 of the relay, check for a ground in slot 2 of the relay

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
OK so this is weird when I put my positive voltmeter lead on the battery and put my negative lead to the number 2 slot for ground I get 12 V. However when I turn my voltmeter to ohms and touch negative battery ground and number 2 slot I don’t get a proper reading I get oL displayed
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

2 should read to ground and that is weird. but the bot***** *****ne is if you are not getting 12 volts in slot 1 with the key in the start position, the ECM isn't supplying the voltage

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

schematic

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
Any idea of how the ECM could’ve gone bad by working on the front of the engine all we did was disconnect the battery and did the timing belt water pump?
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

I cant answer that. all I can do is tell you that the ECM isn't supplying the necessary voltage. but it is also worrisome that slot 2 isn't reading continuity to ground. I would worry about that first

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

try grounding slot 2 with a wire then stick the relay in on top of the wire.

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
are you saying that you’re not positive the computer is bad and try to check for maybe a missing ground somewhere?
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

yes

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago
try grounding slot 2 with a wire then stick the relay in on top of the wire.
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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
I did that and try to start it and nothing happened
Customer reply replied 23 days ago
One other thing that I noticed is on the dash I get no check engine light and I believe this check should have that so that’s why I was thinking it was the computer also
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

anytime the check engine light doesn't come on for the self-test you always have to suspect the computer

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
My only thinking is it’s an electrical part and can fail at any time correct?
Customer reply replied 23 days ago
Do you know if when I get a new computer it has to be reprogrammed to this vehicle or are they pretty much plug-and-play universal of course I mean make and model Specific
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

absolutely ...try disconnecting the ECM connectors and reconnecting them

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
by the connectors you mean just unplug the ECM that’s behind the glove box right?
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

here

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

yes

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
that PDF that you sent me is stating that the dealer has to reprogram the computer correct?
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

yes, to make sure the vin is put in the new one

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
Can I open the computer to look for anything burn or will that ruin anything any further
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

that won't necessarily tell you anything unless its something obvious. bot***** *****ne its bad

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Customer reply replied 23 days ago
Does the ECU have a relay
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

no

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 23 days ago

the only relay for the starter system is the starter relay. thats it.

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Customer reply replied 21 days ago
I got a replacement computer I plugged it in but I have not programmed yet and I still do not get the full dash lights
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 21 days ago

do you get a check engine light?

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Customer reply replied 21 days ago
Nope
Customer reply replied 21 days ago
I just noticed on the fuse panel inside the vehicle fuse number 45 7.5amp It’s labeled panel. Is not blown but has no power when I probe were plugged into?
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 21 days ago

youre pointing to 54

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 21 days ago

ok give me some time to trace the diagrams. the panel fuse won't have power unless the lights on turned on

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 21 days ago

did you have the lights turned on when checking power at the panel fuse?

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Customer reply replied 21 days ago
I just did and yes it has power now
Customer reply replied 21 days ago
Do you think it could be the ignition switch not sending power to the computer?
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 21 days ago

the ignition switch does not supply pcm voltage.

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 21 days ago

it does connect the rest of the vehicle to the power source though

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Customer reply replied 21 days ago
darn
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 21 days ago

make sure you have power at the IGN fuse under the dash with the ignition switch on

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Customer reply replied 21 days ago
I did today its good....there are a bunch of relays behind the fuse panel inside the truck? their plugged in to the backside of the fuse block?
Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 21 days ago

that fuse is how the ignition switch sends power to the pcm. if its good then the switch is doing its job

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Toyota Mechanic: david craig, Auto Mechanic replied 21 days ago

Im out of ideas here. Im going to open this up to the others to chime in.

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Customer reply replied 21 days ago
I appreciate it. I'm stuck
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 20 days ago

S​tart fresh ...perform voltage drop tests on battery cables...(dim dash) give me results please... I could provide wiring diagrams and we can go over over this on the phone

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Customer reply replied 20 days ago
Will do
Customer reply replied 20 days ago
Done it drops .2 on positive and negative. Negative takes a little longer to drop
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 20 days ago

try to clean connections to improve...battery good ? of course...ck all external grounds...does battery stud read at least 12.4

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 20 days ago

dash lights dim out when crank?

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 20 days ago

no ck engine lite...can u get data?

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Customer reply replied 20 days ago
No dim engine lights no check engine light displays Yes battery is good 12.4
Obd has power but can not communicate with computer
Customer reply replied 20 days ago
The check engine icon never displays
Customer reply replied 20 days ago
we’ve traced wires today and we found no power going to the neutral safety switch. Also the ing switch has power where it needs to be
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 20 days ago

what powers nuetral

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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ck inputs to pcm ..need schematic?

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 20 days ago

perhaps what is missing at pcm is missing at neutral..let me know if you need schematics wither way pcm needs to be fixed if you bypass relay will it run?

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Customer reply replied 20 days ago
I need schematics let me know how to bypass
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 20 days ago

If you run current to starter will engine start with key on or do you not have spark fuel etc?

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 20 days ago

run a jumper to starter solenoid with key on and crank does it run? if not maybe we need to pursue the pcm and in the process we may fix the no crank

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Customer reply replied 20 days ago
I can jump power to the starter and the starter will turn over but will not start also no fuel pump is turning on
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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ch​eck all power and grounds to computer...lets fix this computer first

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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get me vin number and I will get you schematic for pcm...there are places that repair or used...don't get rebuilt

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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more to come

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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still more

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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more

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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there is some good testing in here that I sent I can help too by phone or on here. If you could take a moment and rate me I would appreciate it as that is how I am compensated

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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I​ will offer phone service...that is optional but if you want me to walk thru diagnosis and repair with you...would be glad..over phone. you don't have to accept but up to you

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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W​e need to test inputs to pcm to determine why it wont communicate, start etc...I am here

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 18 days ago

hOW IS IT GOING?

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Customer reply replied 17 days ago
I paid the first guy and got no final answer and now I’m having to pay you is that right?
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 17 days ago

no one has been paid. when we get into delving into schematics and phone calls I put in request for premium service. so you will be charged only 20 dollars additional because of the fact that its a complex problem and time consuming. I provide schematics phone call assist etc. plus the time we have in so far is all included

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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I​ gave you discount rate

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

t​he additional charge is because more time is required due to complexity of your unique repair scenario. It can be time consuming and challenging for everyone. I have to rely on you to perform testing ,so I can get data, to provide a diagnosis.

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

were you able to perform testing with data I have already provided? or do you need additional help?

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Customer reply replied 15 days ago
Who received the $20 ????
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

the pcm schematic was provided so you could test circuitry. If you don't know how to test it I can help

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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no one

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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If you have questions about costs contact customer service

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Customer reply replied 15 days ago
I figured out the problem it was the cam sensor it was shorting out the ECu
Customer reply replied 15 days ago
no one got the $20 and you want 12 additional ?
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

yes, but you will pay all of it, so look before you leap so to speak lol. A premium service I offer when I feel a phone call would be best due to the complexity and time required to provide and answer. A phone call cuts down time.

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

If you are concerned about costs please contact customer service. The reason for additional charge is phone call and additional information required to provide answer. I usually don't even provide schematics till I offer premium request.

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

Its mostly about time involved

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Customer reply replied 15 days ago
I never agreed to premium service I agreed to the $20 and the last guy couldn’t help so said he was gonna pass me on to some one else. He never told m that meant premium service no did you ? I think 20 is fair
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

so​ do you want to pursue or should I opt out and you can take a chance on another

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

2​0 dollars is fair for the time required for an answer that we don't know how long it will take? don't know the answer to yet?

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

R​emember there is time already invested to get to the step where are at. If a solution had been provided at this point then no need of premium service. So you don't want to continue should I opt out?...I can if you like

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

ok let me know I am off to help other people who want answers

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Customer reply replied 15 days ago
I said I figured out the problem the cam sensor was shorting out the ECu
Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

when?

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

everything is recorded...what day and time?

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

when did you find this out. Hey look I only get paid when you rate me.....now you are avoiding me...that's not being fair

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

the schematic I provided shows cam sensor

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

so if you don't want to pay just opt out of question thanks for your response

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

If you have your answer then premium service is not needed

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

If you just happened to find your answer now then all you have to do is rate me...no premium service needed. Do you have any questions?

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 15 days ago

I am not there so I rely on you to perform testing...12 dollars I thought was reasonable. I have charged more

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Toyota Mechanic: eric remington,
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when did you find cam sensor a problem?

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