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My 2004 Corolla is shifter is stuck in I believe 1&2.

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My 2004 Corolla is shifter is stuck in I believe 1&2.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Never mind the phone call. Please answer the question
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

No problem; glad to help. On a manual transmission, and the shifter is not moving properly, we usually see that either the shift cable had become detached from the shift link, or the shift cable has failed. There are 2 cables that connect the shifter to the transmission. If you have the mechanical skills, you can remove the air filter box form the driver side of the engine compartment, you will be able to see the top of the transmission. The cables connect to two movable arms on the transmission. Once you have the air box out, have a helper manipulate the shift lever thru all of the gears. You should see the arms move rather easily. The arm that is not moving is the one that has to be examined closer to see if the cable is moving inside the outer housing (if not the cable is broken or detached from the shifter). If the cable is the problem note that it is very difficult to replace the failed cable in the driveway. It is almost absolutely necessary to lift the vehicle on a hoist to access where the shift cable comes thru the lower portion of the firewall.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
At what point do we blame this all on the transmission and other components like a slave or master clutch cylinder?
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
The shifter goes in 3, 4, 5 & R.
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
It's just not going in 1&2.
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

If the clutch master of slave cylinder were causing the problem, the car would start and try to move forward. As Long as the engine will run with the clutch pedal depressed, I would rule out the cylinders and the hydraulic operations

This really sounds like the 1-2 shift cable is either broken or detached. It would be rare to break a shift fork inside the transmission unless somebody really abused the shifting.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
When I try to take off upon removing my foot from the clutch there's a stall and the car eventually shuts off.
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

The shift arms work in tandem. When you shift from one gear to the next, both arms have to move. If the cable or the shift fork is the issue, you are causing the trans to be in 2 gears simultaneously.

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

This causes the stall.

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

in other words, when you shift from 1st to second, the arm moves from one gear to the next. Shifting from 2 into three causes the 1-2 lever to shift out of two and the 2-3-5 arm to shift into 3rd. This sounds like the 1-2 cable or the 1-2 arm is not moving

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
why doesn't it greverse when I put it in reverse?
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

Because the 1-2 shift arm is not in its idle position most likely

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

You cannot get reverse with 1 or 2 still being selected at the transmisison

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Is there a way to manually detach everything from the transmission and see if the shifter moves in all position?
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

Yes. You need to remove the air cleaner box and everything on top of the transmission area to access the shift cables. They are held in place by clips. Remove the clips and the cables will be free to allow the shifter to move. If the shifter still does not move in 1 and 2, I suspect the cable is broken at the shifter

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Can you reference a YouTube demonstration in what you're telling me?
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrkRaKgFp_c

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

This shows you what the cables look like and where they are placed.

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

Once you see the cables, this is where you need an assistant to move the shifter and watch the levers move. Both have to move.

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

DO you have any other questions for me on this request? Thanks

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
A lot more questions are coming. I'm more interested in how it all works. This way when I understand it I can tell the mechanic I don't need a tranny like he's suggested. I didn't think I had a tranny problem to begin with. This all happened on my way home so I've always been convinced it wasn't the tranny. I thought something came apart.
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
How many shift cables are there. Is each cable responsible for say 1&2 or 3, 4 & 5 have their own cable and Reverse has it own? Please explain.
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

2 shift cables. They work together. When you shift from one gear to another, one cable de-selects the current gear and the other cable selects the desired gear. Reverse is locked out any time that there is a gear selection. This is not like an auto trans, where you have drive, revers, and the other in a direct progression. The gears in an manual trans need to be moved in and out of gear via arm force moving the shifter, which moves the cables, which moves the shift arms, which moves the forks, which moves the gears back and forth........ The shifter, in reality, provides two functions. It deselects the current gear and selects the desired gear as you move it. This is why both cables have to move properly.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
just to make sure I understand you properly, you said if I disconnect the shift cable from the tranny and just leave it attached to the shifter I should be able to go into all gears? If that statement is wrong please walk me through the steps from shifting in the car to the part before it goes into the tranny.
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

And just to make sure I understand you properly, you said if I disconnect the shift cable from the tranny and just leave it attached to the shifter I should be able to go into all gears+

Correct

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

Disconnect the shift cable clips at the links. Move the shifter. It should move thru all of the gears effortlessly.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
if it doesn't move?
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

If it does not move the shifter is either broken internally or the shift cables that hook to the shifter are causing a bind., in any case, with the 2 shift cables disconnected at the trans, and the shifter STILL does not move for one and two gears, , your mechanic knows nothing about transmissions and should be telling you you need the shifter removed and inspected.

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

If the shifter does move thru all the gears, you either have a cable issue or a bent fork.....if the cables are good your mechanic is correct

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
the fork I'm assuming is in the trans? Where does the clutch and its role fall? Could it be the clutch disc?
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
at this point from what you've said it's either the shifter(internally), the shift cable or the fork?
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

Correct. The Fork is in the transmission. The cable moves the link on top of the trans. The link moves the fork back and forth to engage/disengage the gears.

The clutch is the connection between the engine and the transmission. When you press the clutch pedal, you force the clutch disc away from the engine. This stops the engine spinnign to make the transmission spin. I do not think you have a clutch issue

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

So at this point from what you've said it's either the shifter(internally), the shift cable or the fork?

Correct.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I may have to pay the $30 to request a talk. What's your availability?
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

available now

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Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

I wiill be back online in an hour; need to go to the hardware store. Please advise if you still need the phone call

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Can an automatic trans be put in a manual transmission car in any way just using the fly wheel? Or it's more complicated than that?
Toyota Mechanic: Toyota Service, Toyota Expert replied 2 years ago

That would be a really exp[ensive and difficult proposition. AN auto trans needs electronics to shift in this car. That would entail a new wiring harness, a new ECU, the shift lever and cables, new trans mounts, a different starter and a different flywheel. Too expensive. Too difficult. If the manual trans is the problem, you are best advised to replace it with an identical unit. Replace the clutch whilst you have the trans out; it is cost effective to do this at that time. Saves you from pulling it out 50,000 miles from now

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