Robin D. : Hello and thanks for trusting me to help you today. I am a tax adviser with over 15 years of experience.
Your work in the U.S. is employer-specific (i.e. limited to employment with the approved employer/petitioner) so working for your company and receiving any kind of compensation for your work is strictly not allowed.
You could have a company (not sole proprietorship ), and you could employee your spouse as long as they were legally allowed to work in the US.
You would have to be a C corp or S corp as LLC single member is sole proprietor. If you are not US resident alien you cannot have the S corp.
Robin D. : It is wise to look at your options. A person on an H1B or other temporary work visa in the United States is legally allowed to invest in any venture.
Robin D. : If you wanted to work for that company and earn a salary, you would need to without obtain prior approval from the USCIS
Customer: Hi believe you are only talking about option A.want to run the company through a US citizen as well. Wife would join later as employee through work visa.
Robin D. : Yes but the second option too was covered as I said you can invest in a passive way.
Customer: how to show profut under option A in my tax return. Guess here ut will show as dividend since its going to be a corporation.
Robin D. : Correct, dividends paid with C corp and S corp K1
Robin D. : LLC is not an option by itself because then you are sole proprietor.
Robin D. : You could set up a corporation, perhaps pay a fee to someone to actually "run" the business, invested in the business, and received the profit.
Robin D. : Then you would be within the IRS understanding of investment and no compensation (implying wages or salary).
Robin D. : The INS would typically employ the IRS definition.
Customer: Ok what about option B wgat impact will that have
Robin D. : An LLC with one member is a sole proprietor ship and not an investment.
Robin D. : No, you cannot do that.
Robin D. : An LLC does not issue the profits to a sole member using K1.
Robin D. : All the profits of the LLC single member passes directly to the member using Schedule C attached to the US tax return.
Robin D. : A single member LLC is not a passive investment at all.
Customer: In second option would i be showing any profit on tax return or it will be shown in return of my company
Customer: also what about option A
Robin D. : A single member LLC would file showing profit on your return. If you chose S corp (remember resident alien rule ) then teh S corp files but you would receive a K1 and you would pay the actual tax
Robin D. : Option A is ok as long as it is a corporation. The main point in either is to remain passive investor. No day to day, no salary,
Customer: Under option B LLC would be owned by a foreign corporation . My iwnership is not directly in LLC . Is that also not allowed to be treated as passive?
Robin D. : Owned by a foreign corporation with you still as the only owner. That is a direct line to you. In most scenarios the IRS looks past that to see where true ownership lies. This is true when withholding issues arise and for taxation.
Robin D. : As the business would be in the US the foreign entity ownership would not go much further then you .
Robin D. : A corporation is 25% foreign owned if it has at least one direct or indirect 25% foreign shareholder at any time during the tax year. This opens the need to also file form 5472. As I advised, the INS would follow the IRS.
Customer: ok in foreign corporation i am not going to be sole member. I will only be a stock holder. But you are saying that IRS will only look at LLC as the tax entity , ignore the foreign corporation and its director and inly see who owns the stock in that corporation amd link LLC to me ?
Customer: No one else will have aby stock except me right mow
Robin D. : The LLC if owned by a foreign entity in more than 25% would require the additional form. If you are just a stockholder in the foreign entity then no, as long as your shares are not significant.
If you own all the stock in the foreign company then that is no different then you owning the LLC.
Customer: Ok got it. So in this case opening as a s corporation or C corporation on its own or as subsidiary are both viable provide person actively running it is hired by me and is a citizen or green card holder. There is no difference between the 2 options then ??
Customer: except the extra form in 2nd one
Customer: Now once i set this up what would be the order first hire green card/citizen and then do the work visa fir wife to run(its non petitioning e3 visa) or the other way around ? My wife will either be durector or manager or any oerson who has active participation.
Robin D. : You would need an employee that managed everything first. Your wife needs the visa before she can work for the US company in the US.
Customer: Ok . She already has a work visa e3 and has a social.this one will be a concurrent filing. Does that make any difference or still its first the person to mamage the company and then my wife
Robin D. : I was advising employee first because you would need someone to actually be doing the work.
Customer: Ok but its not fixed if wife would be a director or acting as employee in beginning. We want to minimize costs in beginning.
Customer: please advise considering this
Robin D. : There are E1 and E2 (for spouses) you stated your wife has an E3 VISA, that VISA may not allow her emplyment outside the initial traders business.
Robin D. : If she does not have a clear authorization to be employed then no.
Customer: ok and is it better to set up as s corp or c corp filing tax as s corp or c corp filing tax as c corp considering tax and immigration point of view for both of us
Robin D. : C corp would define your activity as a an investment. S corp would require a salary be paid to the shareholder that is doing actual work for the company.
C corp would certainly distance you from any direct relationship other than investment.
Customer: Ok if i set it up as c corp and elect to file as s corp in a year will that be better . Would i still need to pay any salary to myself.
Customer: Or i should set it up as c corp and file as c corp only. Issue in that is 35 percent corporation tax plus the tax on dividend
Robin D. : You set it up as a C corp it would file it's own taxes. The shareholders of a C corporation may elect S status and, the corporation will avoid a corporate-level federal tax on its operating income or on gain resulting from the sale of its business. Items of income, deduction, gain, loss, and credit are generally taken into account only by the shareholders and not by the corporation in computing taxable income and tax.
Robin D. : I would say to decide what you want to do and set up that way from beginning
Robin D. : Yes, C corps do pay tax twice.
Robin D. : The C corp itself and then the shareholders on divdends
Customer: what will be safer for my status. Is c corp with electing as scorp sufficient to distance me from thr corporation
Robin D. : S corp can but you need to not be doing anything for the S corp
Customer: Ok but that onus of proof comes on me even if i am not doing it? If i do as c corp then it doesnt?
Customer: What kind if proof i need other than what i just said Before
Robin D. : The C corp with it's own employees and workers running it removes you further.
Robin D. : That 's a good question
Robin D. : An agent could loo to see what your active role was in the business based on what the business does and who is doing it (who has been hired)
Customer: Ok so u ate saying incorporating as C corp but electing to file as s corp is not recommended then?
Robin D. : I would not advise it but it is not disallowed.
Robin D. : We have been chatting for over an hour
Customer: ok..so if i do set it up as c corp and elect to file as c corp what kind of proof is needed to show my
Customer: Passive interest
Robin D. : The actions of the C corp, which would be hiring others to do the work and run the business
Customer: ok.. Gr8 thankd fof all thd help
Robin D. : You are most welcome.
Your positive rating is always thanks enough.