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25 hp v twin model ch730 with fixed jet carb part number…

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25 hp v twin model ch730 with fixed jet carb part number 24-853-91S runs too rich at lower rpm and really bad at idle. When first idled down it is good but within 15 seconds it goes into a heavy load of fuel and can't recover without full throttle. Has been this way since new and am certain that air cleaner is clean and choke is working correctly.Please help.
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Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago
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CH730 is twin engine, Have you ran a cylinder balance test, to see that both cylinders are firing at idle? Remove one spark plug wire at a time , to see if engine will continue to run. If engine dies when wire is removed, the opposite cylinder is not firing. If it is not firing on both cylinders at idle, you get the loading up with fuel, and poor idle. Have you had carburetor apart, and it is clean?

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Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago

I can call for additional charge, but did you see my response, and make the cylinder test?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Have completed cylinder balance check and machine continues to run on both cylinders. Remember when returning to idle I get a good response for about 15 seconds before loading on idle. will tear down and clean carb this weekend.Enginering hasn't caused this by chance
Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago

CH model has been around for years, Sounds like carb problem. Here is link to service manual.

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Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
After review of the service manual it appears there is some adjustment of the idle fuel mixture, is this correct? You also think this can be fixed?
Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago

You can try the adjustment, but I doubt it is the problem. I figure you will need to check the float and needle valve area.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Curtis I pulled top off carb and I find that the float can move all the way to that cover and I don't think the needle is shutting off fuel. The service manual did not have setting information for float. Can you advise. And what else should I be looking for! Thanks!
Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago

Float should have a metal tab, that can be bent , to stop the upward movement of the float, and let it push against the needle. I don't find a good picture of it, if it is not there, do you see where it could be broken off?

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Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Tab is there and I dropped the fuel level some with noticeable change in idle instead it now takes 5 times longer to start loading and does not get as bad. Is needle and seat defective or should I lower it some more? How will I Know if I have gone too far
Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago

Float should be set where it is basically level, when needle is seated. You may need a new needle valve and seat, if it does not shutoff fully.

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Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago

Is th efloat you have the black plastic material or a brass float. Brass float can be leaking, and have fuel in the float. The black float is not hollow and can't leak.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Black plastic. I notice if I start up at idle and leave it there it is even better, does this tell us anything? Also notice slight engine noise on idle but goes away with the least bit of acceleration. 400 hours on machine is this normal. Should I lower fuel a bit more?
Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago

You have had carburetor off, and the mounting gasket is good? No intake leaks? I think needle is not seating good. You could try lowering bowl a bit more, but if float is not hitting the top of carb, it should be shutting off the needle passage,

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
With the checking and adjusting that I have done there is change in performance but the problem is still there. It takes longer for it to start to load but still not acceptable. This morning at 24 temp the machine started on idle with absolutely no choke and this to me seems strange. What advise do you have, try a carb kit install $68.00 or complete carb $375.00 or can it be something else completely.
Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago

The carburetor is the only thing that affects the fuel to the engine . I would try a carburetor kit, but that would be your choice, I do see new carburetors on Ebay for $300. I think problem is the needle valve and float.

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Technician: Curtis B., Technician replied 2 years ago

Please accept and rate to close.Thanks.

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