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Cannot turn over my Deere L110. The battery is re-charged,

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Cannot turn over my John...
Cannot turn over my John Deere L110. The battery is re-charged, the cables are tight, and the engine cranks, but does not turn over.
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Technician: James W, Small Engine Troubleshooting Expert replied 6 years ago
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James W :

Greetings, My name is***** and I am here to help the best I can. My goal is 100% satisfaction. Let's get started.

James W :

I need to define terms here

James W :

If the engine cranks and spins, then it IS turning over

James W :

So, is it just not starting even though it is turning over, or does it just Not spin all the way around

James W :

Or are you saying that it is TRYING to spin, but it just will not spin past the compression stroke as if it has too much compression??

Customer:

Correct, it is just not starting.

James W :

In order to work your engine needs these things



  • Proper compression

  • Proper Gas / Air Mixture with good quality fuel.

  • Proper spark

  • Spark at correct time

  • Proper Lubrication (not required to start and run, but required for it to run very long).


I would check your compression, which must be at least 90PSI, and 110 is desirable.

If the compression tests good with a meter,

I expect you have either a fuel Quality or fuel delivery problem.

But first, we need to know it has spark.

Even if you got it to start and it died, try to start the unit one more time,

Take the spark plug out, reattach the plug to wire to it and ground it to a head bolt. (When you had it out, was it wet or dry)?

If it is dry, we are 99% sure we are on the right track, but we still need to know if you have spark.

Turn unit on and either pull rope or engage electric starter. Look for a bright blue spark and see if you hear it. If it has spark, put a teaspoon of gasoline in the plug hole and reinstall the spark plug.

If the unit tries to start, but only runs until the gas you put in is gone then we need to look at cleaning the carburetor (especially if the plug was dry when you took it out).

Some of these engines have a tendency to sheer flywheel keys. If this happens, you may have no spark, or it may spark at the wrong time because the flywheel has spun on the crankshaft. Eventually, you may want to check this.

You may get lucky and it may start and run. If so, let it. It may "clear its throat" or you may get some work done right now.

James W :

We just need to find out what it DOES NOT have.. Not enough compression, no spark, or not good fuel supply

James W :

How long has it been since it started..

Customer:

You have a lot of recommendations, some of which I will not be able to attempt tonight. But to answer your last question, I mowed my lawn two days ago and parked it in the driveway. It has been about 60 hours since I last started it.

James W :

If you have no spark, it is possible you have a problem with a safety switch especially under the seat..

James W :

Lots to test.. I will convert to Q&A mode.. I will be notified via email of your replies.\

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It will make it easier for you to print out as well.

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Technician: James W, Small Engine Troubleshooting Expert replied 6 years ago

If your tests indicate that you have spark and good compression, and If you can put gas in the spark plug hole and it will start and run for a few seconds, then

Most likely you have a fuel delivery or fuel quality problem.

As engines sit or get older, fuel that is left in the carburetor can turn to gum and varnish and cause this and other problems.

Also, any gasoline that was left in a gas can for a period of more than 30 days must be discarded because it also has begun to turn to varnish.

Today's gasolines contain MTBE and alcohol. (Ethanol) They turn to "Junk and garbage" very quickly. Alcohol absorbs water. And they call it "Oxygenated fuels! It is the oxygen (and the water) that breaks down the organic compounds in the fuel and turns the gas to "Garbage" (Gum and varnish) The fuels we had just a few years ago had no alcohol in it and would store for longer periods of time before going stale.

Fuel stabilizers do almost nothing to prevent the fuel from going bad with the changes in today's fuels. The whole point of a fuel stabilizer is to form an oily film on the surface of stored gasoline whether in the tank or in a gas can. The idea was to keep oxygen away from the gasoline to prevent breakdown. Since the fuel is already oxygenated, the fuel stabilizer concept is null and void. These fuels start to degrade immediately upon the addition of the ethanol.

Do not buy gas from the "Discount" Stations. The discount stations get a reduced price on gas because they may be buying fuel that is nearly 30 days old already. You may be getting fuel that's nearly stale right from the pump when buying from a discount station. Purchase your fuel from the well-known stations such as Shell, BP, Sonoco, Phillips 66 etc.

More than 70% of all of our repairs in our small engine repair business are due to these same issues. You most likely have dirt, gum, varnish...etc in your carburetor plugging up the small passageways and jets in the carburetor.

The carburetor will need to be cleaned and overhauled as well as the rest of the fuel system.

  • If you plan to do the work yourself, take pictures with your digital camera or at least make a drawing of where all the linkages, gaskets, and component parts go. Correct reassembly is critical.
  • Remove the carburetor from the engine.
  • Remove all of the non-metallic parts since the carburetor cleaner will cause them to be disfigured decompose and plug the carburetor as time goes on.
  • Clean all parts with carburetor cleaner. You will want to SOAK the non metallic parts in a cleaner bath.
  • Blow out all the small holes and passageways with compressed air.
  • Use a tiny stiff wire such as is found on the twist tie on a loaf of bread or on a garbage bag to open all tiny passageways found in the carburetor such as in the screw, nut, or jet holding the bowl of the carburetor on (if it has a bowl). Make sure to look for tiny holes in the bottom and side threads of the bowl nut or nozzle a make sure they are clear with the wire.
  • Wash the carburetor cleaner off of the metal parts by washing them in warm, soapy water then rinsing with clean water.
  • Dry all carburetor parts by blowing it off with compressed air.
  • Make sure that all the passageways are blown dry before reassembling (you do not want water back in the carburetor).
  • Reassemble the carburetor using a NEW carburetor rebuild kit.
  • NOTE: DO NOT TRY TO REASSEMBLE WITHOUT USING A COMPLETE CARBURETOR KIT! You will just end up having to do the job again.
  • Find the Model, type and serial or code numbers off of the engine and take them to your local dealer to get the carburetor repair kit.
  • ALWAYS clean the fuel tank and replace the fuel line when doing this repair or you may have to do it all over again. The inside of the fuel line disintegrates over time and these small pieces of rubber will plug up the carburetor too. Dirt and water from a dirty fuel tank will also plug up the carburetor. If this happens, you will be starting over again from the top.

In an Emergency such as a blizzard where you cannot get out to buy a carburetor kit until the plows come through, or during an emergency power outage and you need a generator running even if it runs poorly, you might try the following if your carburetor is the type that has a bowl. Sometimes this procedure works:

While the carburetor is still mounted to the engine:

  • Pinch the fuel line with a pair of vice grips to stop the fuel from going to the carburetor.
  • Remove the bowl nut (or nozzle from the bottom of the carburetor and let the fuel drain from the bowl.
  • Carefully remove the bowl from the carburetor without letting the needle and seat and float fall out of position (if it does, no big deal, but you will have to reassemble it, which is harder with the carburetor on the unit).
  • Dump all of the Gunk out of the bowl and put the bowl back into position.
  • Use a tiny stiff wire such as is found on the twist tie on a loaf of bread or on a garbage bag to open all tiny holes in the screw, bowl nut, or nozzle that was holding the bowl of the carburetor on (if it has a bowl). Make sure to look for tiny holes in the bottom and side threads of the bowl nut or nozzle a make sure they are clear with the wire.
  • Reassemble and see if you got lucky.

You may be able to finish the job at hand then clean and overhaul the carburetor correctly when you have more time and a new carburetor overhaul kit.

If you don't feel comfortable with these kinds of repairs, or if the carburetor still doesn't work correctly after your attempt, I would suggest sending it to a profession repair shop with a reputation for having friendly, knowledgeable, experienced service technicians. It would be best to take it to someone who has an "Ultra-sonic" cleaning machine. This machine uses a very mild carburetor cleaner in concert with ultrasonic vibrations to get the very small passageways clean. This method is very effective even when traditional methods fail.

There is a New Product that you can try which is guaranteed to work or your money back (per the manufacturer).

http://www.b3cfuelsolutions.com/html/mib.html

It is designed to help clean the carburetor without damaging the diaphragms and rubber parts like regular carburetor cleaner. Click on this site and it will tell you all about it. http://www.b3cfuelsolutions.com/html/mib.html

The mechanic in a bottle is NOT a conventional carburetor cleaner.

It actually breaks down the varnish into it molecular components and it completely dissolves. It DOE NOT clog up the jets as conventional carburetor cleaners do. Conventional carb cleaners just loosen the varnish and the varnish particles will go into the jets and filters and clog them up.... usually causing much more problems that was originally there. The conventional carb cleaners also will loosen the "GUMK" that has formed in the gas tanks and cause all of that gunk to go through the carburetor as well.

The Mechanic in a BOTTLE is a completely revolutionary product that will in many cases alleviate the need to tear the carburetor down and rebuilt it..... unless there is mechanical wear and tear that would require that parts be replaced.

In addition, the special formula actually is designed to soften and restore the rubber parts in the carburetor such as the needle and seats and gaskets.

Mechanic in a bottle is NOT a cure-all but it can help customer get going in many cases without them having to tear the carburetor apart. If the customer is NOT mechanically inclined, it might save them a trip to the repair shop.

Yes I was very skeptical about this product when I first was introduced to it, but the Distributor demonstrated it and we have tried it on many occasions with terrific results.

Otherwise you will have to clean and rebuild the carburetor.

Please feel free to ask follow-up questions so that we can always arrive at the correct solution. We want you to be 100% satisfied.

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Customer reply replied 6 years ago

Please respond to my last response...I started the mower up two days ago. What does that rule out? Anything?

Technician: James W, Small Engine Troubleshooting Expert replied 6 years ago

Actually, the fact that it started just 2 days ago, does not rule out ANYTHING, unfortunately...

It does suggest to me that the first thing to check is to see if you left the mower deck engaged...

It also leads me to still suggest that you check the spark and the compression as well as checking to see if it will start with a teaspoon of gas in the cylinder...

Let me know what you learn.. Thanks.

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Customer reply replied 6 years ago

Hello James, Are you available this evening? I learned a few things and have some more information. Last night before I went to bed, I spent some taking pictures and looking at the engine. I noticed the spark plug was a little tight in the corner of the engine, so I decided to remove the entire hood. After I removed the hood, I noticed a tray underneath the muffler had a puddle of gas on it. I thought this was odd but after having spent a few hours last troubleshooting, I went to bed last night. This evening at 8:00pm, I went back out to the garage to continue troubleshooting. The tray underneath the muffler was air dried over night, I sat back down on the seat and turned the key. Presto, the engine started, and then immediately died. That was the same thing that happened last night. I guess I should have mentioned that in my initial question last night. Anyway, on the second turn of the key this evening, I got the same results I got last night...the engine just cranks and cranks, the flywheel just spins, but the engine never turns on. Again I inspected the tray underneath the muffler and again it has a puddle of gasoline on it. I examined t he muffler, and the fuel seems to be seeping from a horizontal seam on the muffler. I can send a picture if you think it will help.

Technician: James W, Small Engine Troubleshooting Expert replied 6 years ago

Sorry for the delay..

Sick kids..

The puddle of gas proves to me that at least one of the problems is in the carburetor

It seems as if the float is stuck.. And the flow of gas is never being shut off in the carburetor

it is then draining via gravity into the head and out the muffler

Also it is likely now in the crankcase and has mixed with the oil

So I expect that the oil now smells like gas..

You will want to change the oil and oil filter AFTER you get the carburetor fixed.

Actually the float is not stuck, but rather the needle valve and seat are not mating correctly just like when the float valve in the toilet tank never shuts off at 2AM

ALSO, likely you have tiny jets clogged with gum and varnish.

So my original answer of clean and overhaul the carburetor still stands.. And is further verified.

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