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I just bought a Saab and there is error code 1260 and 1251

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I just bought a Saab and there is error code 1260 and 1251 what's that mean ?
JA: How many miles are on the car? Do you have scan tool or a code reader?
Customer: 130k
JA: What is the model/year of your Saab?
Customer: 1999 9.5 turbo wagon
JA: Are you fixing your Turbo yourself? What have you tried so far?
Customer: 1260 is fuel pump speed relay control circuit
JA: Anything else you want the mechanic to know before I connect you?
Customer: 1251check engine lamp from control module low ?
Submitted: 2 months ago.
Category: Saab
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

Hi,

Is it the 2.3 turbo or 3.0 turbo engine

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Help
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
3.0
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

Ok, give me a couple of minutes to review these codes and causes

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
I just know I think a bought a piece of junk
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

Ok, not sure where you got those fault definitions but they are incorrect for your specific vehicle.

1999 Saab 9-5 Wagon (9600) V6-3.0L Turbo (B308)

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P1260 Throttle Return Spring. Too Low Force

P1251 Throttle Motor. Full PWM in Closing Direction.

You will need to replace the throttle body assembly in order to repair and get rid of these 2 codes.

Being an 18yr old vehicle, this failure is not unusual or sign that the vehicle is junk.

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Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Is this a costly repair ?
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
I realized also after the muffler and exhaust is rotted out needs replaced
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Hello
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

please be patient as it takes a couple of minutes to lookup up labor time and parts prices

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Sorry
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Never does ask question thing
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Done
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

Throttle body runs around $325 for the part

Labor is 1.2 hours, abour $120

Total about $445

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Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Can I repair it myself or my son is learning auto repair , how to replace the whole exhaust system
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
I give you 4 stars
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
What about the exhaust ?
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

The throttle body is fairly easy to replace at home. Give me a couple of minutes and I can post directions.

The exhaust system you really need a lift in order to replace it, and you may need a torch to cut rusted bolts.

Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

Directions are attached for the throttle body

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
What's the cost of new exhaust system and can affect the throttle body the turbo was replaced at 100k miles
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
How much would this cost at a muffler shop or repair shop exhaust ?
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

How much of the exhaust has to be replaced - muffler, tailpipe, exhaust pipe, catalytic converter?

Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

And no, it wont affect the throttle body

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
It's all rotted from where it comes out the motor I think
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
The muffler is full with wholes
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

Hi,

Ok, from the engine back to and including the tailpipe, you will be looking at around $600 parts and labor at an exhaust shop

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Does that include the converter ?
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Catalytic
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

Hi,

Yes. And those prices are for an universal converter, and direct fit exhaust pipe and muffler at an exhaust shop.

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Is this something I can do also ?
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

Hi,

You would need a lift like a shop has and a torch.

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
How do I know it needs a converter ?
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
I have access to both
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

If it is rattling inside and has holes in it.

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
What explain ?
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Where is least expensive place to buy the parts I need ?
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

Saab doesnt provide directions for replacing the exhaust that I can post, but it is straightforward and once you have it on a lift you will be able to see the bolts and the hangers holding the exhaust

Hit the converter with your hand. If it rattles on the inside, then it is broken apart internally and needs to be replaced.

Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

Rockauto.com, Autozone, or OReillys would be the cheapest for the parts

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Is this car worth all that? The body is in excellent condition
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
In your opinion
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

I honestly cannot answer it is worth it or not. I cant see, test, or inspect the engine, transmission, body, tires, interior, suspension, steering, ac, heating, etc in order to tell you

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Some people say they are junk
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

It cant be junk if it has last 18 yrs so far

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
It drives awesome air works tires are new the inside looks new it's i excellent cont the heat works well I drove it today the mileage was per gallon was great I like it but it's 18 years old
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
The turbo was replaced at 100k
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

If the rest is in good condition, then it would be worth the investment in repairing it

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Do they last along time I always driven Hondas I love that kinda car that last forever I had one with 450k miles when it died
Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Are you a Saab repair man ?
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

They usually last for 300,000 to 500,000 miles.

Yes, I am

Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Ok do they still make Saab are owned by GM ?
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.

HI,

Saab is still made and is indeed owned and manufactured by GM now. Most have GM engines.

It is getting late where I am, so unless you any other question directly related to the original question on the 2 fault codes, I do need to get off line and turn in for the night

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Customer: replied 2 months ago.
Does it or will it hurt to drive like it till I get the repairs ?
Expert:  Eric replied 2 months ago.
No it will not hurt to drive. As it is very late, I am logging out 4 the night.
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