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I am back to a crank no start situation. It worked well for a couple of days and then got harder to start and finally stopped. I changes the water pump yesterday, not fun. It started and ran fairly well once but the temperature gauge would not move and the fan would not cut in. Now it won't start again. It through a P0117 code. Tested the sensor wire and have about 5 volts, all the other fuses needed for starting were good but will recheck this am. It was overheating on her and my wife was with her and they said the increase in temp was making the transmission run rough, is this even possible?
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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
I can't tell on this end are you working on this or should I try another expert? I have time to work on it now.
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
I swapped out the coolant temp sensor and my temp gauge now moves but it still would start.
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probably the engine was running rough

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does engine crank?

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Sorry back now ready to work. Have you seen my previous crank no start question

have you checked fuel pressure

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Did last time. About 50 psi. Plus didn't start with propane in intake

so have you checked for spark

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
We swapped out a set of fouled plugs and the it started

u ck fuel pressore last time what about this time

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was it fouled with coolant oil or gas

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so it has now started? or are plugs fouled again?

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Started when I tested it after putting in the new water pump. Hasn't started since. Have not checked the pluggs again yet.
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
The picture is the worst of the old plugs. When I took them out the one in the cylinder closest to the passager side was wet and the other three were dry.
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
When I do try to start it I just crank it and there is very little fire. If I then put peddle to floor and go into floos recovery mode it fires a little but not enough to start.
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
flood recovery mode

are plugs wet

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does engine spin over real fast

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
May spin a little faster but not drastically. Do u want me to yank some plugs
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Pulled one plug. Mildly wet smells like gas
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Second one the same. Do I need to pull more
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
All look about the same. Just tested compression. Two outside ones at about 100 psi. Middle 2 closer to 60. Passenger side end cylinder also spewed gas when cranked with open plug socket
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Tried wet cylinder again and only had vapour like other ones
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Can you give me some idea of what you are thinking and is it always going to be this long between responses. I don't get much done this way

yes let the cylinders air out clean and dry the plugs and then try and start

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
How long to dry out

30 minutes at least

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are you sure you got timing chain lined up properly

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Well it did run for several minutes after I changed the pump and it didn't sound too bad. That is when the ect sensor went and gauge wouldn't work and fan wouldn't turn on. Replaced it and gauge works don't know about fan. Timing could be out. How do we tell?

didn't sound too bad? didn't sound too good....are you sure you got it lined up properly ? did u use special tool

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
It sounded a little rough like 15 year old beater. I used the tool but I threaded into the none threaded holes and it felt like it tightened in place. Didn't realize I was in wrong holes until trying to put back together. I got it back together I don't think it moved but I can't say for sure

we​ll you may have blown head gasket or if it ran ok b4 u worked on it you may have valve timing incorrect. do you have coolant in oil or vice versa?

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
The new coolant looks fine. I can check the old oil as I just changed it I would assume they would separate

how did car run b4 you changed water pump

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
It had been running fairly well but kept getting hot because it kept loosing coolant. Then it started becoming hard to start. Had to try to crank then floor it to get it too start. Next time it ran was after pump was in. Ran for couple minutes started to overheat so shut it down. Hasn't started since

how did it run b4 u changed water pump after you got it started while it was getting hot

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
It ran fairly well. Sounded a little loud as muffler is going. My daughter used it for delivering pizza and never complained until it started to overheat
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Noticed puddles in 3 out of 4 cylinders. Turned it over and it spewed out greeny gas smelling fluid and lots of it

pull off the cylinder head and take it to a machine shop or buy another cylinder head like from ebay

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my son overheated my car delivering pizza I too had to change cylinder head

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he drove it after belt fell off while going thru a puddle so its very similar to your situation. u probably have smoke comong out of tailpipe if it would start

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the cylinder head probably cracked and gasket broken...I can supply instructions on replacing cylinder head.

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Please

I can get you all the instructions torque specifications and step by step instructions for only 5 bucks more

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but cant do it for free. but trust me from what you described that is what you need todo I get you all factory instructions and speicifications

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
That's fine. Go ahead

all you have to do is accept offer

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
When will I get my instructions ets
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Etc

I need to know is the eight vin number a 4 or an f? better yet can I have the entire vin number...I want to make sure I get you correct instructions

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
What is your private info, is that a phone number or numbered email account?

ok sorry got tied up last couple fo days now I will get you the info sorry so its and f motor

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starting out with a technical service bulletin relevant to your engine

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    Vehicle » Engine, Cooling and Exhaust » Engine » Cylinder Head Assembly » Service and Repair » Additional Overhaul Information

    • Additional Overhaul Information

    For additional engine repair information, refer to Engine Service and Repair. See: Service and Repair

    "Unit Repair" typically covers service procedures, machining, cleaning, inspection procedures and engine overhaul steps.

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    Cylinder Head Replacement

    Cylinder Head Replacement

    • Tools Required
    • J 36660-A Torque Angle Meter

    Removal Procedure

    1. Disconnect negative battery cable.
    2. Remove the intake manifold.
    3. Remove the power steering pump bolts and set pump aside.

    1. Remove the exhaust manifold.
    2. Remove the timing chain.
    3. Drain the cooling system.
    4. Remove the cylinder head bolts in sequence and discard.

    1. Remove the cylinder head and gasket.
    2. Clean all gasket surfaces.

    Installation Procedure

    1. Install the cylinder head and gasket.
    2. Install NEW cylinder head bolts.

    Notice: Refer to Fastener Notice in Service Precautions.

    1. Tighten the cylinder head bolts in sequence.
      • Tighten the cylinder head bolts to 30 Nm (22 ft. lbs.) plus 155 degrees .

    1. Install the NEW front cylinder head bolts.
      • Tighten the front cylinder head bolts to 35 Nm (26 ft. lbs.) .
    1. Install the timing chain.
    2. Install the exhaust manifold.
    3. Lower the vehicle.
    4. Install the intake manifold.

    1. Install the power steering pump.
      • Tighten the power steering pump bolts to 25 Nm (19 ft. lbs.) .
    1. Fill the cooling system.
    2. Connect the negative battery cable.

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    Cylinder Head Replacement

    Cylinder Head Replacement

    • Tools Required
    • J 36660-A Torque Angle Meter

    Removal Procedure

    1. Disconnect negative battery cable.
    2. Remove the intake manifold.
    3. Remove the power steering pump bolts and set pump aside.

    1. Remove the exhaust manifold.
    2. Remove the timing chain.
    3. Drain the cooling system.
    4. Remove the cylinder head bolts in sequence and discard.

    1. Remove the cylinder head and gasket.
    2. Clean all gasket surfaces.

    Installation Procedure

    1. Install the cylinder head and gasket.
    2. Install NEW cylinder head bolts.

    Notice: Refer to Fastener Notice in Service Precautions.

    1. Tighten the cylinder head bolts in sequence.
      • Tighten the cylinder head bolts to 30 Nm (22 ft. lbs.) plus 155 degrees .

    1. Install the NEW front cylinder head bolts.
      • Tighten the front cylinder head bolts to 35 Nm (26 ft. lbs.) .
    1. Install the timing chain.
    2. Install the exhaust manifold.
    3. Lower the vehicle.
    4. Install the intake manifold.

    1. Install the power steering pump.
      • Tighten the power steering pump bolts to 25 Nm (19 ft. lbs.) .
    1. Fill the cooling system.
    2. Connect the negative battery cable.

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    pics if you need anything at all feel free to call anything at all or write! Sincerely Eric

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    Customer reply replied 7 months ago
    I am assuming that even though it's not listed one has to take off the valve cover to get at the timing chain. Do I just remove the exhaust gear to get the chain off? Then remove the head has shown. There are what appear to be two diagrams for head bolts. Is one for disassembly and one for reassembly?

    let me look up timing chain

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    1. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
    2. Remove the camshaft cover.
    3. Remove the No. 1 cylinder spark plug.
    4. Rotate the crankshaft in the engine rotational direction clockwise, until the No. 1 piston is at top dead center (TDC) on the compression stroke.
    5. Raise and support the vehicle.
    6. Remove the engine front cover.
    7. Lower the vehicle.
    8. Remove the camshaft cover.

    Important: The timing chain tensioner must be removed to unload chain tension before the timing chain is removed. If not removed, the timing chain will become cocked and it will be difficult to remove.

    1. Remove the timing chain tensioner.

    1. Remove the upper timing chain guide.

    1. Use a 24 mm wrench to hold the camshaft from turning.

    1. Remove the exhaust camshaft sprocket bolt and discard.
    2. Remove the exhaust camshaft sprocket.

    1. Remove the timing chain tensioner guide.

    1. Remove the engine mount
    2. Remove the fixed timing chain guide access plug.

    1. Remove the fixed timing chain guide.

    1. Remove the intake camshaft sprocket bolt and discard.
    2. Remove the intake camshaft sprocket.
    3. Remove the timing chain through the top of the cylinder head.

    1. Remove the crankshaft sprocket.

    1. Remove the oil nozzle and bolt.
    2. Remove the balance shaft chain tensioner.

    1. Remove the adjustable balance shaft drive chain guide.

    1. Remove the small balance shaft drive chain guide.

    1. Remove the upper balance shaft drive chain guide.

    1. Remove the balance shaft drive chain.

    Installation Procedure

    Notice: Refer to Fastener specs.

    Important: If the balance shafts are not properly timed to the engine, the engine may vibrate and make noise.

    1. Install the upper balance shaft chain guide. Tighten the upper balance shaft chain guide bolts to 15 Nm (133 inch lbs.) .

    1. Install the small balance shaft chain guide.
    2. Tighten the balance shaft chain guide bolts. Tighten the chain guide bolts to 10 Nm (89 inch lbs.) .

    1. Install the adjustable balance shaft drive chain guide. Tighten the chain guide bolts to 10 Nm (89 inch lbs.) .

    1. Turn the tensioner plunger 90 degrees in its bore and compress the plunger until a paper clip can be inserted through the hole in the plunger body and into hole in the tensioner plunger.
    2. Install the timing chain tensioner.
    3. Tighten the chain tensioner bolts. Tighten the chain tensioner bolts to 10 Nm (89 inch lbs.) .
    4. Remove the paper clip from the balance shaft drive chain tensioner.
    5. Install the oil nozzle and bolt.

    Tighten
    Tighten the oil nozzle blot to 10 Nm (89 lb in).

    1. Install the crankshaft sprocket with timing mark at the 5 o'clock position.

    1. Lower the timing chain through the opening in the top of the cylinder head. Carefully ensure that the chain goes around both sides of the cylinder block bosses (1, 2).

    1. Install the intake camshaft sprocket with the INT diamond at the 2 o'clock position.
    2. Hand tighten a NEW intake camshaft sprocket bolt.
    3. Route the timing chain around the crankshaft sprocket with the matching color link aligning with the timing mark.
    4. Route the timing chain around the intake camshaft sprocket with the uniquely colored link (1) aligning with the INT diamond.

    1. Install the timing chain tensioner guide through the opening in the top of the cylinder head.

    Tighten the timing chain tensioner guide bolt to 10 Nm (89 inch lbs.) .

    1. Install the exhaust camshaft sprocket with the timing chain silver link (3) at EXH triangle aligned at the 10 o'clock position.

    1. Use a 24 mm wrench to rotate the camshaft slightly, until exhaust sprocket aligns with the camshaft.
    2. Hand tighten the NEW exhaust camshaft sprocket bolt.

    1. Install the fixed timing chain guide.

    Tighten
    Tighten the fixed timing chain bolts to 15 Nm (133 inch lbs.) .

    1. Verify that all the colored links are aligned with the appropriate exhaust (1), intake (2), and crankshaft marks (3).

    1. apply sealant, GM P/N 12345382 (Canadian P/N 10953489) to thread and install the timing chain guide bolt access hole plug

    Tighten

    Tighten the access hole plug to 90 Nm (66 lb ft).

    1. Install the engine mount.

    1. inspect the timing chain tensioner. If the timing chain tensioner, O-ring, or washer is damaged, replace the timing chain tensioner.
    2. Measure the timing chain tensioner assembly from end to end.

    A new tensioner should be supplied in the fully compressed non-active state. A tensioner in the compressed state will measure 72 mm (2.83. in) (a) from end to end. A tensioner in the active state will measure 85 mm (3.35 in) (a) from end to end.

    1. If the timing chain tensioner is not in the compressed state, perform the following steps:

    26.1.Remove the piston assembly from the body of the timing chain tensioner by pulling in out.

    26.2.Install the J 45027-2 (2) into a vise.

    26.3.Install the notch end of the piston assembly into the J 45027-2 (2).

    26.4.Using the J 45027-1 (1), turn the ratchet cylinder into the piston.

    1. Inspect the bore of the tensioner body for dirt, debris, and damage. If any damage appears, replace the tensioner. Clean dirt or debris out with a lint free cloth.
    2. Install the compressed piston assembly back into the timing chain tensioner body until it stops at the bottom of the bore. Do not compress the piston assembly against the bottom of the bore. If the piston assembly is compressed against the bottom of the bore, it will activate the tensioner, which will then need to be reset again.
    3. At this point the tensioner should measure approximately 72 mm (2.83 in) (a) from end to end. If the tensioner does not read 72 mm (2.83 in) (a) from the end to end repeat steps 25.1 and 25.4.

    1. Inspect to ensure all dirt and debris is removed from the timing chain tensioner threaded hole in the cylinder head.
    2. Install the new timing chain tensioner assembly.

    Tighten
    Tighten the timing chain tensioner to 75 Nm (55 ft. lbs.) .

    1. The timing chain tensioner is released by compressing it 2 mm (0.079 inch) which will release the locking mechanism in the ratchet. To release the timing chain tensioner, use a suitable tool with a rubber tip on the end. Feed the tool down through the cam drive chest to rest on the cam chain. Then give a sharp jolt diagonally downwards to release the tensioner.

    1. Use a 24 mm wrench to hold the camshaft.

    Tighten
    Tighten the NEW camshaft bolts to 85 Nm (63 ft. lbs.) plus 30 degrees.

    1. Install the upper timing chain guide.

    Tighten
    Tighten the upper guide bolts to 10 Nm (89 lb in).

    1. Install the camshaft cover
    2. Raise the vehicle.
    3. Install the engine front cover.
    4. Lower the vehicle.
    5. Connect negative battery cable.

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