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Alternator won't charge the battery. Both are new 98 grand

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Alternator won't charge the battery. Both are new 98 grand am
JA: How many miles are on the car? Will the battery hold a charge?
Customer: 200k yes battery is good
JA: Tell me a bit more about what's going on so he can help you best.
Customer: 3 months ago i replaced the alt. Battery died last week. Replaced that, it died within an hour. Just put another new alternator in charged the battery and it runs for awhile off the battery and dies
JA: Are you hoping to fix this yourself?
Customer: Yes
JA: Great! What have you tried so far?
Customer: Checked some fuses that's about it. Not sure what ones might have anything to do with it
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Customer: No
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Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago
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HI,

Ok, I need the vin number to pull the schematics for the charging system.

Also, do you have a voltmeter for testing?

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
A cheap one yes, but I'm not to sure on how to use it. 1G2NES52T8WM525219
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
It's T9 in the middle not 8
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

Ok, give me a few minutes to pull the schematics. In the meantime, I need you to check the voltage at the battery with engine idling and all accessories off(lights, ac, radio). To do this, set your voltmeter to 12v DC. place the red probe end on the positive terminal of the battery and the black probe end on the negative terminal of the battery. Then repeat with a couple of the accessories on. Let me know the voltage for both tests.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
It doesn't have that there's a black v that has 2 20 200 600
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

Ok, if there is no DC setting then that voltmeter is only for AC, which is household current. If you can take a photo of the face of your voltmeter and use the paperclip icon on your reply box to upload to here and I can verify

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Did you get it
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

hmmm, appears that it is only for AC voltage, ohms and amperage. We need one with a DC setting.

Ok, check and see if your blower for the ac/heater works on high. The high speed blower and alternator share the same fuse, so if the blower doesnt work on high speed it is a blown fuse, but if it does work, then that is not the issue

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
It does
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

Look at where the leads plug into your voltmeter. For the red(positive) are there more than one place to plug it in and if so, does one say DC.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
It just said 1
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
If I put it on 20 it's just over 11 and dropping
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

Hi,

Ok, go to the 200 setting

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
11.8 with nothing 11.3 with everything
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

Ok, at the alternator, you should have a red wire, orange wire, grey wire and a brown wire. We need to test the voltage of each wire with engine idling and accessories off.

Test one at a time. You will place the black lead on a good ground(negative battery terminal works fine for this), and then you will need to stick the red wire in back of the connector at the alternator where each wire goes into in order to get a reading. I need the voltage for each wire

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Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

So, just a grey and red wire?

How long have you had the car and how long has the charging problem been going on?

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
About a year. Change an alt 4 months ago. Battery light was always on but it just died this week
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Just gray and red yes
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Is it different for a v4?
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

Ok, the red wire goes between the alternator and starter. The grey wire sends a signal from the alternator to the engine control module(computer) that then goes to the battery light.

The 2 missing wires are critical. The orange wire goes from the fuse to the alternator to supply battery voltage and the brown wire goes from the engine control module to the alternator and is what sends the signal to the voltage regulator in the alternator to energize it so that it works. Without this, the alternator will not put out enough voltage.

At idle with accessories off, it should be registering 13.5 to 14.7v at the battery

Both the 4 and 6 cylinder engines have the same 4 wire setup at the alternator

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
How do I go about finding them
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

You will probably need to take the alternator off and look for hanging wires somewhere near it - one orange and one brown. If not anywhere near the alternator, then someone cut them really far back and from my end, it would be a guess on where they would have cut them.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Could I just run wires direct
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I got the plug out and 2 are cut off right at it. I've followed the wires a long way and can't seem to find them
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

Yes.

The brown wire that goes to the ecm is actually a red wire at the ecm(they have a splice along the way and it changes color there). You will run from pin 74 on the BLUE connector at the ecm(see attached) to the L pin at the alternator connector(see attached wiring diagram).

The ecm is located behind and underneath the glove compartment(see attached)

The orange wire goes from the 30 amp fuse labeled HVAC BLOW MTR in the engine compartment fuse box(see attached) to F pin on the alternator

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Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

My suspicion is that once you run them, it still wont charge. I suspect that the internal circuit in the ECM that controls energizing the voltage regulator has failed and someone tried some type of workaround, of which there isnt one.

So just be prepared for the strong possibility of it still not charging after doing the wiring and having to get a new ECM.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Ok thank you I will try that tomorrow
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

You are welcome and have a great evening

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
If need be. Can I get an ecm from a junk yard and does it differ for engine size?
Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

HI,

ECMs are specific for year, make, model, engine size and transmission. Also, it will need to be programmed with your vehicle's vin number and mileage, which requires a Tech2 GM scan tool to do so.

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Pontiac Mechanic: Eric, Automotive Repair Shop Manager replied 1 year ago

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