Little Joey is a red crowntail betta fish in a cycled 5 gallon heated tank for a year. Heat around 74 which I NOW know is too cold for betta but hes been like that for about 1 year with no issues. I cleaned weekly and did 20-30percent water changes weekly. Admittedly i knew nothing of PH all this time until this happened and starting reading...I use Prime conditioned tap water and made sure temps match when doing water changes. Ammonia 0, Nitrites 0 in this cycled tank. I feed him bio gold pellets and freeze dried worms. All started with him as very listless at first at bottom of tank..not that unusual for him to be there for part of the day. I saw one white speck on lip but didnt think much of it..we went away for 4 days. sitter fed him and said he was eating and looked ok but still sitting on bottom. Got back still listless. HOuse was at 60 and tank was 72 even with heater. I fear he was cold stressed for days we were gone. Outbreak started after we got back. Started out as black slightly raised patchy bumps around face and gills with white under mouth and head. then led to pale colored bumps. Not much white slimy stuff coming off but a little (overall does not look cottony. more like hard raised bumps) and then id find a little tinged red slimy stringy things at bottom of tank..just a couple mm in length here and there... not alot. I thought might be poop but may have been part of his gills. When it got bad, he had rapid gill movement. struggled to swim to get to top of 5 gallon for air..swim bladder apparently affected..hanging upside down at times. I stopped feeding him. I moved him into a .75 gallon so he could get to air easier. Started him on Maracyn because i suspected columnaris and it said this fixed it on the box. NOw I see from forums I probably should have used maracyn 2 as well but was scared to mix them so finished the course with maracyn. Had issues keeping temps stable in small tank..stressing him more i think. then got idea to put .75 gallon in my 5 gallon and put him in a fry container within the .75 gallon. so he could sit close to the water but still have the water surrounding him from the .75 gallon container which is easier to do water changes in. that helped regulate temp. I did water change and put salt solution 1/2 teaspoon per gallon. Did that for a couple of days. Things sort of stablizied but still pale and listless. Then read about Attison betta spa. I should say at this this point i did not know about PH and how much it can fluctuate. My PH out of tap is 7.8 and I condition with Prime and make sure new water temp is same as old. On the next water change, I added betta spa. He perked up miracously..so much better color. I expect teh PH had dropped signigicantly but did not know to measure. He started eating again 1-2 pellets per day. . Seemed calmer. Started reading more and realized this can drop PH...so i checked and they were down to 6.4. Removed some water and added some tap water just a bit so as not to upset too much. I finished the maracyn 3 days ago. did almost complete water change and a water change with 1/4 bottled water 2/4 betta water and 1/4 his old water.
Read all about columnaris and now want to try kanpalex. I gave him what i think to be a very small dose 2 days ago PH 7. PUt a little salt probably like 1/4 teas and small peice of driftwood. He looked much better yesterday. but still has white/yellowish patches on face and couple small red ulcers and it looks a bit swollen on his cheeks, I have pictures I can send..not sure if they are healing but do not appear worse. Today he seems a little more listless. Tank temp dropped to 74.5-5. PH 6.4. UGH! So should i try and raise slowly? I went and got RO water....not sure if I should do small water change with that throughout the afternoon? or just do a 'drip' type acclimation with few drops of RO every 5-10 min? So if you agree this might be columnaris...I have 5 gallons of RO water but dont want to medicate the whole thing. Ideally just a gallon at a time. So how do I dose the kanaflex in his tank? How much kanaflex do i mix with his pellets. I bought focus and garlic guard as well. Furan 2 is on the way as I hear this is good as well. Today his spine is an S shape. It has been curved all along but now appears more like an S. He is not fat maybe slightly thinner. Last night I gave him 2 pellets and tiny bit of pea. Today, he ate 2 unmedicated pellets one at 930am one at 1pm. He will no longer eat the worms. Body color is perfect red. Fins are perfect. Only issue is his face, S shape, listless and still sits sort of on his hind quarters vertically in a position near the air. does not seem stressed but does not seem happy either. I want to do water change and medicate immediately but not sure how to do this with PH situation. I also have furan2 on the way. I'm sure all teh PH changes didn't help. I'll only use RO water from now on but would love to keep using Attisons...but is low PH bad?What do you suggest for dosing med and water constitution?
Hello and welcome. My name is XXXXX XXXXX I'm a biologist with many years experience keeping fish. You have a very complex situation.Your photos would help. You can upload a photo by clicking on REPLY, then at the top of the area where you would type is a tool bar with icons. Click on the little paper clip icon (it's right next to the YouTube icon). Instructions will pop up. On some browsers, this doesn't work. if that happens, you can put your photo on one of the free photo sharing websites, such as www.photobucket.com. Then come back here and paste the link to your picture in a REPLY.
Also, how old is Joey? If you don't know, tell me if he was full-grown when you bought him.
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Anna could you possibly call me . I have emergency
water params all off!!! Amonia 2.0, Nitrates 5.0, nitrites 0, ph 6.0 dont know what to do(NNN) NNN-NNNNor i can call you.
FYI, I read one of your other responses and just did water 75% water change. got ammonia down to 0 PH 6.0 concerns me. When i tested first time it was 7.8 but now i'm wondering if i took water out of right place...but how could it go down that fast. I used RO water to do water change. I put a bit of prime to lock ammonia and little stress coat. Im using api
Could I just keep acclimating him to RO water and then essentially do a 100% water change? Dont udnerstand why the PH is so low. he is in 1/2 gallon sick tank so would be easier than doing baking soda
Ok will test now and get right back iwth you. I thought i tested the other day at 7 but maybe mistaken. I know my crystal spring water in a bottle is 7
maybe i can start adding that slowly
Ok i tested his tank again and RO water. RO water is 6.6 his water is 6.4. should I acclimate to spring water over next few hours. if so how much change water do i put in per hour
Hi Anna,I signed up for the 46.00 monthly plan after asking my inital question to you so if you want me to open a new case or I am overstepping please let me know. I do have more questions. I pray this is not TB as I do have a small cut on my hand.not very big and does not look angry and is not sore. slightly red and thats it. wonder how long it would take for me to show symptoms. I've had it for at least 4 days I think.
1. When i first suspected columnaris I emptied the tank, ran 125 degree hot water and put a ton of salt in it and let it sit. Is that enough to disenfect or should I do 10%bleach solution and rinse rinse rinse then do dechlorinator. Right now i have water back in the tank so that I could put the other tank in it to regulate tank...its at 78 degrees. If you think its ok,I have some tap water that has been out for a day or two with some drift wood in it. Measured PH and it is 7.0. Wondering if this would be better than spring as it likely has more minerals?? From what you say, this water will be more stable due to mineral which sounds good to me!
So options are:
A use 100% of this aged water with 1/2 teasp aquarium salt
B: i mix half Crystal Bottled water with this aged water?
C: use all Spring water? If this choice, should i put salt in it?
Once I set the 5 gallon back up...Should I put some good bacteria in the tank. I have a biofilter (kind with little tube things and some black balls at bottom) Seachem makes that one...Stablity i think its called. Obviously I'll be watching ammonia etc and doing water changes etc but maybe it could start seeding the biofilter. I have other tanks. Would it make sense to seed it with filter medium? or is that introducing possible bad bacteria?
2.Ok so assuming i have him back in 5 gallon. How should i dose the kanaflex, furon2 and metrodiazonal. I've heard kanamycin is very strong so wondering what your thoughts are.
What option should i choose:
A Should i do full strength as directed for each drug
B. Do 3/4 of recommended dose for each drug
C Do 1/2 of recommended dose for each drug.
3. Do you normally put carbon between medicine doses?
By the way he doesnt look as crooked now..is it possible that water params were doing that. ill keep watching.
Again if this is too much please let me know. Thanks for everything!Diane
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