Dog

Get Your Dog Care Questions Answered by Experts

Ask an Expert,
Get an Answer ASAP!

Dog

I have a lab 2 years old and a 4 year old Papillon. I took

Customer Question
in my son's 8 month...
I have a lab 2 years old and a 4 year old Papillon. I took in my son's 8 month old springer spaniel. With no reason they have fought with the Papillon and cause very bad injuries. The lab was just six weeks old and raised with the Papillon
Last night they both jumped the Papillon and she had a lot of stitches in the stomach area, then this morning the Papillon was jumped again causing serious injury to the neck, ripping it clear to the bone. I am ready to remove the spaniel and lab from the house
Nothing like this happened until I got the spaniel. They are all levels female
What can I do.
Submitted: 1 year ago.Category: Dog
Show More
Show Less
Ask Your Own Dog Question
Answered in 2 minutes by:
3/1/2016
Dog Specialist: Jane Lefler, Breeder,Behaviorist, formerVet Asst replied 1 year ago
Jane Lefler
Jane Lefler, Breeder,Behaviorist, formerVet Asst
Category: Dog
Satisfied Customers: 20,060
Experience: Former vol Vet Assistant.Breeder 18+ years Dog trainer / behaviorist
Verified

Hi JaCustomer,

My name is ***** ***** I’ve been involved professionally with dogs in the health and behavioral fields for over 18 years. It will be my pleasure to work with you today.

I want to let you know I am working on your response and it will probably take me about 20 minutes to type up the response. I hope you can be patient. It will help to know if any of the dogs have had obedince training?

Ask Your Own Dog Question
Dog Specialist: Jane Lefler, Breeder,Behaviorist, formerVet Asst replied 1 year ago

I do want to thank you for supplying so much helpful information.

Prior to the new dog, your Papillon was likely the alpha by default. When a dog is a puppy and raised with an adult, the adult is usually seen as the alpha dog. Thus there is no dominance fighting between those two dogs.

However, when the spaniel was added, she was maturing into an adult female and after a short while would attempt to move up in the pack rank. The higher you are, the more privileges you get theoretically. In a pack situation, the top dog gets to eat food and decide when others do, they get to pick what toys they want to play with or take from another. They are supposed to be respected by the other dogs and other dogs are not allowed to push the top dog out of the way. Now I should warn you that some people do not believe that dogs act in a pack manner. Owning a large number of dogs and working as a behaviorist and trainer for 18+ years has shown me that there are leaders and followers in a group of dogs. While it may not be as intense as it s in a wolf pack, it still exists.

Now the spaniel was the boss in his house and she came to your house and wasn't the boss and wasn't treated like the boss. So she likely challenged the 4 year old. Often the challenge can be just eating first or pushing the papillon out of the way. She would not likely just submit and give up her position without a fight whether it was a growl or a nip. If the spaniel was dominant which it sounds like she is, she would fight back to gain that top dog position. Now the older dog might not understand fully what was going on and likely you still treated her as the alpha dog by giving her attention and feeding her first. Even though you did these things, the new alpha dog would expect her to not accept them since she wasn't the boss anymore so she would reprimand the papillon which is what seems to be occurring.

The lab would support the new "top dog" and help reprimand the older dog. It is bad but what ends up happening. Springer spaniels can have problems with sudden aggression anyway and often it is believed that a thyroid condition may contribute to that issue, so you might have a thyroid panel done on the spaniel.

To correct the situation, you have to gain total control over all the dogs. I'd start with the spaniel and lab. I'd also suggest basket muzzles for both of them to prevent any additional attacks on the papillon. They have to be basket muzzles so they can still breathe normally and eat and drink. Now you can't keep muzzles on them all the time, so be sure you have a crate that you can put the papillon on spaniel in alternatively so the dogs don't have to wear muzzles all the time. I do not suggest separating them for any length of time unless the separation will be permanent because each will feel the area they are in all the time is theirs and will attack the other if they enter that area.

The following site is helpful in helping owners train their dog. Be sure and click on the link to the page on obedience at the bottom. and links on subsequent pages leading to detailed instructions.

http://www.schutzhund-training.com/training_theory.html

In order to supply you with an informed answer, it is necessary for me to collect some additional information from you. When I receive your response or reply, it will likely take me between 30-45 minutes to type up my reply if I am still online when I receive notice that you replied. I hope you can be patient.

Additional training can also help. all dogs should be leashed and if one dog even looks at the other dog, a correction should be done. Any sign of aggression including a prolonged look, hair raised on the shoulders, a growl or even a stiff legged walk, should be corrected. A correction is a quick tug of the leash and a firm low toned "NO". Once you have done this couple of times, you should notice the dogs ignoring each other. When that happens, you will want to reward them for the desired behavior. Again, use tasty treats like the hot dog slices. This teaches the dogs that you WILL not tolerate fighting in YOUR pack.

Start with the spaniel and the papillon and keep the muzzle on the spaniel. I'd keep it on during training sessions until you are fairly confident the situation is under control again via the obedience training and this training. Sometimes adding another female to the mix can never be resolved and you end up keeping them separate. In my opinion, females are much worse than males in this regard. You can read about this issue here:

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/feisty.html

If this was me, I'd try the training first but start thinking about rehoming if you can not get them under control.

I hope this information is helpful to you. If you would like any additional information or have more questions please don’t hesitate to press the reply to expert or continue conversation button so I can address any issues you still have . If you do find this helpful, please take this opportunity to rate my answer positively so I am compensated for my time.

If you have questions in the future that you wish me to answer, you may click here and bookmark the page or make it a favorite. It is best to put my name "JANE" in the question as well.

Ask Your Own Dog Question
Dog Specialist: Jane Lefler, Breeder,Behaviorist, formerVet Asst replied 1 year ago
Hi,
I'm just following up on our conversation about Robin Larson. How is everything going?
Jane Lefler
Ask Your Own Dog Question
Dog Specialist: Jane Lefler, Breeder,Behaviorist, formerVet Asst replied 1 year ago

Just a quick note to see how things are going and to see if you found my suggestions helpful.

Ask Your Own Dog Question
Ask Jane Lefler Your Own Question
Jane Lefler
Jane Lefler
Jane Lefler, Breeder,Behaviorist, formerVet Asst
Category: Dog
Satisfied Customers: 20,060
20,060 Satisfied Customers
Experience: Former vol Vet Assistant.Breeder 18+ years Dog trainer / behaviorist

Jane Lefler is online now

A new question is answered every 9 seconds

How JustAnswer works:

  • Ask an ExpertExperts are full of valuable knowledge and are ready to help with any question. Credentials confirmed by a Fortune 500 verification firm.
  • Get a Professional AnswerVia email, text message, or notification as you wait on our site. Ask follow up questions if you need to.
  • 100% Satisfaction GuaranteeRate the answer you receive.

JustAnswer in the News:

Ask-a-doc Web sites: If you've got a quick question, you can try to get an answer from sites that say they have various specialists on hand to give quick answers... Justanswer.com.
JustAnswer.com...has seen a spike since October in legal questions from readers about layoffs, unemployment and severance.
Web sites like justanswer.com/legal
...leave nothing to chance.
Traffic on JustAnswer rose 14 percent...and had nearly 400,000 page views in 30 days...inquiries related to stress, high blood pressure, drinking and heart pain jumped 33 percent.
Tory Johnson, GMA Workplace Contributor, discusses work-from-home jobs, such as JustAnswer in which verified Experts answer people’s questions.
I will tell you that...the things you have to go through to be an Expert are quite rigorous.

What Customers are Saying:

You are a light at the end of scary tunnel when $ are tight, but people need professional help to turn to for help with their dear pets!

LinhCharleston, WV

$1,000 spent at his vet, and I finally get the correct diagnosis from Nancy Holmes for $15

CarolCedar Hill, MO

I think this is the greatest web site in the world. Thanks to all!

JudyNew Haven, CT

I have referred several friends to your web site. I'm impressed with how easy it is to use your site, the Experts available and the quickness of answers.

NinaUSA

I am completely pleased with the quick response that I received in our time of need for our dog, Jasmine. I couldn't believe how quick the response was and I thank you. It's good to know you're there!!

Jasmine's MomUSA

Please let everyone involved with your site know that your Expert, Dr. Lucy, has saved my dog's life. I will recommend your site to all my pet loving friends. Thank you again for simply being there!

Sonya GEasley, SC

Last night my Expert spent close to 3 hours working with me on my dog's illness. Thank you so much for this opportunity to share in her care and knowledge!

Cathie MPompano Beach, FL

< Previous | Next >

Meet the Experts:

Dr. Gary

Dr. Gary

Dog Veterinarian

3,033 satisfied customers

DVM, Emergency Veterinarian; BS (Physiology) Michigan State Univ

Joan

Joan

Vet Tech

5,320 satisfied customers

Vet Tech for over 35+ years working w/Dogs/Rescues

Candy

Candy

Veterinary Technician

7,973 satisfied customers

Practicing Veterinary Technician for 26 years.Former Veterinary Practice Owner, Technician Trainer

Dr Scott Nimmo

Dr Scott Nimmo

Small Animal Veterinarian.

5,120 satisfied customers

BVMS, MRCVS. { Glasgow UK }

Dr. Andy

Dr. Andy

Medical Director

4,898 satisfied customers

UC Davis Graduate, Interests: Dermatology, Internal Medicine, Pain Management

Theresa

Theresa

A Voice for Your Pet

4,705 satisfied customers

19+ years experience in small animal medicine

Dr. Drew

Dr. Drew

Veterinarian

3,292 satisfied customers

Small Animal Medicine and Surgery

< Previous | Next >

Related Dog Questions
My dog has a large tumor on her thigh area. Blackie 10. She
She had this for 2 years but it just keeps getting bigger… read more
Dr. Alleyne
Dr. Alleyne
Veterinary associate
Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine
1,120 satisfied customers
Been dry heaving for a few hours now and breathing a little
Been dry heaving for a few hours now and breathing a little faster then normal … read more
Dr. Alleyne
Dr. Alleyne
Veterinary associate
Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine
1,120 satisfied customers
My dog ate 1 maximim strength mucinex sinus max night gel
My dog ate 1 maximim strength mucinex sinus max night gel tablet. Opened the tablet licked the gel inside. It contains acetaminophen 325 mg dextromethorphan HBr 10 mg doxylamics succinate 6.25 mg phen… read more
Dr. Michael Salkin
Dr. Michael Salkin
Veterinarian
DVM
3 satisfied customers
My pregnant dame went to the vet today because we planned
My pregnant dame went to the vet today because we planned her mating with our stud. I noticed a bulge growing by her inner thigh so we wanted to check it out and have an xray to confirm the pregnancy.… read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
He is shaking panting and has a warm nose. Sparkles little
He not himself he always love to play and he slept al day and now he is sitting up almost in my face… read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
Clinging, panting, shivering and licking my skin. Oliver, 14
I am currently looking after 2 small dogs for a friend . These dogs are regular companions of Oliver. He also has a brother. All are small dogs. Oliver weighs 16 lbs… read more
Dr. Christina
Dr. Christina
Small Animal Veterinary Internist
399 satisfied customers
My dog keeps stretching...definitely not normal. Stretches
My dog keeps stretching...definitely not normal. Stretches his front legs out and hikes his rear, like he just got up from a nap....but this is like every 5 mins or so. He will get up from laying down… read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
My dog threw up and it smells really bad. It's with a mucus
My dog threw up and it smells really bad. It's brown with a white mucus like substance … read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
My Toy Maltese just got into a chicken burrito with red
My Toy Maltese just got into a chicken burrito with red sauce. He has a super sensitive stomach and can not handle any people food at all. Always stars vomiting and gets diarrhea. He's only 5 lbs and … read more
Scott Perry
Scott Perry
Veterinarian
Doctor of Veterinary Medicine
1,527 satisfied customers
My teacup 13 week old Yorkie is sick. He's been throwing up
My teacup 13 week old Yorkie is sick. He's been throwing up I recently changed his food i don't know if it's that, but he threw up twice tonight and has been really inactive and still. He hasn't moved… read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
My morky is not acting his perky self. Hubby has been
My morky is not acting his perky self. Hubby has been carrying him up the steps the last dayor two. We thought maybe he was hurting due to our extreme cold temps and he is 7 years old. We gave him a b… read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
My 30 lb dog ate a small amount of my 20mg lexapro
My 30 lb dog ate a small amount of my 20mg lexapro pill...not even 1/4. She is taking metronidazole for colitis and pills look similar. Thankfully she spit it out. … read more
Rebecca
Rebecca
Veterinarian
Doctoral Degree
445 satisfied customers
My dog vomited up his food this afternoon and now tonight he
My dog vomited up his food this afternoon and now tonight he has vomited blood … read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
He was whimpering out of no where. his tail is tucked and
he was whimpering out of no where. his tail is tucked and gives out a little yelp if we try to really inspect. excessive panting in spurts and he trembling on and off. its the middle of the night.. sh… read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
My Italian Greyhound ate about half of a CET Enzymatic chew
My Italian Greyhound ate about half of a CET Enzymatic chew without chewing it. Will it cause any issues? … read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
My 7 month old pup ate bunch of leaves in her day care's
My 7 month old pup ate bunch of leaves in her day care's back yard. Friday night she started having little diarrhea and threw up leaves twice. We gave her one dose pepto bismol. Saturday diarrhea stop… read more
PitRottMommy
PitRottMommy
Veterinary Nurse
Associate Degree
9,186 satisfied customers
My 8 pound dog ate part or all of a single piece of a dove
My 8 pound dog ate part or all of a single piece of a dove truffle, I'm not sure it was a whole piece but I'm assuming it was . That was a hour ago and is not acting unusual and is sleeping on the sof… read more
Dr. Michael Salkin
Dr. Michael Salkin
Veterinarian
DVM
3 satisfied customers
My dog ate a latex glove I️ tried peroxide but she hasn't
My dog ate a latex glove I️ tried peroxide but she hasn't thrown up at all … read more
Dr. Christina
Dr. Christina
Small Animal Veterinary Internist
399 satisfied customers
Disclaimer: Information in questions, answers, and other posts on this site ("Posts") comes from individual users, not JustAnswer; JustAnswer is not responsible for Posts. Posts are for general information, are not intended to substitute for informed professional advice (medical, legal, veterinary, financial, etc.), or to establish a professional-client relationship. The site and services are provided "as is" with no warranty or representations by JustAnswer regarding the qualifications of Experts. To see what credentials have been verified by a third-party service, please click on the "Verified" symbol in some Experts' profiles. JustAnswer is not intended or designed for EMERGENCY questions which should be directed immediately by telephone or in-person to qualified professionals.

Disclaimer: Information in questions, answers, and other posts on this site ("Posts") comes from individual users, not JustAnswer; JustAnswer is not responsible for Posts. Posts are for general information, are not intended to substitute for informed professional advice (medical, legal, veterinary, financial, etc.), or to establish a professional-client relationship. The site and services are provided "as is" with no warranty or representations by JustAnswer regarding the qualifications of Experts. To see what credentials have been verified by a third-party service, please click on the "Verified" symbol in some Experts' profiles. JustAnswer is not intended or designed for EMERGENCY questions which should be directed immediately by telephone or in-person to qualified professionals.

Show MoreShow Less

Ask Your Question

x