Bird

Get Answers to Bird Care Questions. Ask a Bird Specialist.

Ask an Expert,
Get an Answer ASAP!

Bird

We just got back from the vet with our fletchling crow we

Customer Question
Hi there. We just got...
Hi there. We just got back from the vet with our fletchling crow we found 10ndays ago. He was absolutely fine until the vet came in, grabbed him,wrapped him in a towel and flipped him on his back. Started kind of poking his tummy and holding him tight as he was struggling. Then she gave him back to us about 1 minute later and he couldn't stand up, kept falling to the side or forward. And would spread his wings out and push himself back as if it was paiful to be on his stomach. She said she didn't do anything to him but he was fine when she picked him up and now he's been like this for over an hour and she trying to say that birds hide the fact that they are sick. I don't feel this is the case. Please help
Submitted: 1 year ago.Category: Bird
Show More
Show Less
Ask Your Own Bird Question
Answered in 4 hours by:
8/24/2016
Bird Specialist: August Abbott, CAS, Certified Avian Specialist replied 1 year ago
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS, Certified Avian Specialist
Category: Bird
Satisfied Customers: 7,679
Experience: Cert. Avian Specialist; Int. Assoc.Animal Behavior Consult; Pet Ind. Joint Advisory Council; author
Verified

Help me understand a little more. Why did you bring your fledgling into the vet's office?

Once the vet said birds hide their weakness, which is true by the way, what was her opinion about what the problem was? After all, she examined him, I would hope she didn't just throw out that he's sick and leave it at that

It's been a few hours - how is your bird acting now?

Ask Your Own Bird Question
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Sorry for the delay. We took him to the vet for a second opinion. We took him to the first vet to re-locate his middle right toe and find out more about avian pox. When she walked into the room she looked at him (as he was bouncing around, happy and cheaky) wrapped him in a towel and brought him in close to her chest. He was kind of leaning back as her hand was wrapped around his body and neck was in the top part of her thumb and index finger. She checked his breathing and heart with the stethoscope, then felt his organs which took all of 30 seconds. And held him there for a few seconds while she looked up to talk to us. Which then he started to push on her chest with his little feet and so she gripped him tighter and squished him into her chest more, and he let out a bit of a scream, so she put him down and he fell forwards on his beek. Then he started flapping his wings extremely hard and fast, and kicked his legs out in front of him as if he was trying to get on his back. He has been like that ever since we took him there on Tuesday. Right after she put him down we asked her what she did to him and she said she didn't do anything, but that he was just a very sick bird and he was weak. She wasn't very gentle with him she was actually quite rough, for someone knowing full well that he was a wild, "very sick", baby crow. Said he was very weak ,stressed and just couldn't hold himself up. They sent us home after two hours of my partner and I trying our best to calm him down. His little heart was beating so fast and breathing was also rapid. He was shaking like crazy. When this all first happened we took him out to get fresh air. About 10 minutes later we brought him inside into the exam room for silence, turned the light off and sat with him laying on his back on our lap. A few moments later the vet came back into the room. Flicked the light on, was talking very loud and fast. She wasn't trying at all to be cautious of him if he was traumatized. We then had the other avian vet come in to give his oppinion as to what was happening. He said he just seemed very sick, weak, and stressed out, and that she (the other vet) did nothing to cause this. He sent us home and told us TLC. The female who did this to him told me he would most likely not make it through the night because he was very sick. We returned home, for the next 4 hours he would not eat, drink, make a noise, seemed to look right through us, lay on his back where he seemed perfectly comfortable(odd for a bird), and was picking at his feet, pulling them up and pushing them down as if his feet did not work or felt funny. We then called them back and told them we thought she didn't something to his legs because of his actions. The male vet then gave us 5 days of medicam .04 mgs once per day at no additional cost, however made us pay for a full examination even though she spent a total of 1.5 minutes looking at him. Onyx, nor my partner or I slept a wink that night. 8am we went back to see the male Dr. He didn't charge us for the exam, looked at onyx, injected him with fluids because he wasn't drinking, and showed us how to use a syringe down his throat for water so we didn't get it in the wrong tube. Sent us home said he needs TLC. Explained he doesn't seem to be neurological as per his actions. Just stress and very weak and sick. Before this last vet visit, Onyx was very happy, very active, very smart, learning very fast, had a very healthy appetite of chicken, fruits and veggies, liver and salmon, eggs and high potency mash, etc. and he drank tons of water. He was also very vocal and staring to make different noises he doesn't usually make (talking) . We found him a few weeks ago in an allyway, he was very week and limping from his one toe. Onyx still lays on his back 6 days later now and that vet has no answer but tlc. He a 24 hour care for bird.Megan
Bird Specialist: August Abbott, CAS, Certified Avian Specialist replied 1 year ago

I'm sorry for the delay on my end too - for some reason I could not 'lock' onto this question all day!

I wish I could say I was shocked about the treatment you found at that awful vet's office but I'm afraid it's not the first time I've heard something like this. What matters is that you did the right thing for your bird and I hope you never stop, no matter what kind of buffoons you come across in practice. Never stop trying

The only thing I'm seeing here that might need addressing is the amount of protein in your bird's diet. Let's try cutting back on that and increasing better sources of vitamin E and beta carotene along with calcium. To focus on this aim for fruits and vegetables deep orange and dark green in color. Sweet potatoes, squash, carrots; try broccoli, kale, spinach (this increases calcium as well)

Even most all natural yogurts are good calcium sources, sticking with the fruit flavors of course (no chocolate, coffee or stuff like that)

With all of this said, let me be perfectly honest, it may not help - whatever is going on might be something too far gone and only determined by a necropsy upon death; however, I'm in your court trying anything whatsoever and giving this bird every hope

So to sum up - for the next couple of days focus on vegetables and some fruits together with more calcium. If you see an improvement we'll know we're on the right track and can go from there.

I'm counting on you to check back with me ok?

Ask Your Own Bird Question
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Thank you for your reply. I'm a bit confused how protein would be affecting him like this. Am I able to send you a video of what he's doing now? We took him to another vet and she said that it seems like this is what happened....the way he was handled cause him to get really stressed to where his blood pressure shot up, and caused a blood vessel in his brain to burst and now he is an upside down bird. The new Dr said his equilibrium is backwards. He thinks right side up is upside down because all is reactions are normal. She felt his spine and neck and blew his feathers back and said there was no inflamation that she could see or feel. He doesn't seem to be in any pain. Has good range of motion with his neck, legs and wings. Everything works just fine. She also said that she has never seen it in birds before only older dogs. Which makes sense for the way he acts when we try and put him on his feet. But he now is constantly biting, or pulling in both his feet and legs, almost as though they aren't working properly. When we try and stand him on his feet he falls to his bum as if he can't get up or stay up on his legs.and if he falls forwards he rests the tip of his beek on the ground to hold himself up as he has a hard time even holding his head up...like its a balance thing. Its very strange. My partner says she thinks maybe low blood pressure? He is most comfortable when his head is lower then the rest of his body (ie his heart). We are just so lost as to really what this could be however the last vet says he should return to normal but may take days or weeks. And also says to let him figure it out in his own. He also balls his feet up and sometimes grabs one foot with the other one. We will start introducing the food you recommended also.Look forward to hearing soon, Megan
Bird Specialist: August Abbott, CAS, Certified Avian Specialist replied 1 year ago

I'm sorry Megan but any vet comparing a bird to what she's seen in dogs loses all credibility with me. Blood pressure? I'm speechless.

I'm going to opt out of this question and open it up so someone else can try.

I sincerely ***** ***** and your companion nothing but the best. My heart goes out to you both

Ask Your Own Bird Question
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Okay well thank you for trying. Does this mean I should be waiting for a response from another Avian expert?
Ask August Abbott, CAS Your Own Question
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS, Certified Avian Specialist
Category: Bird
Satisfied Customers: 7,679
7,679 Satisfied Customers
Experience: Cert. Avian Specialist; Int. Assoc.Animal Behavior Consult; Pet Ind. Joint Advisory Council; author

August Abbott, CAS is online now

A new question is answered every 9 seconds

How JustAnswer works:

  • Ask an ExpertExperts are full of valuable knowledge and are ready to help with any question. Credentials confirmed by a Fortune 500 verification firm.
  • Get a Professional AnswerVia email, text message, or notification as you wait on our site. Ask follow up questions if you need to.
  • 100% Satisfaction GuaranteeRate the answer you receive.

JustAnswer in the News:

Ask-a-doc Web sites: If you've got a quick question, you can try to get an answer from sites that say they have various specialists on hand to give quick answers... Justanswer.com.
JustAnswer.com...has seen a spike since October in legal questions from readers about layoffs, unemployment and severance.
Web sites like justanswer.com/legal
...leave nothing to chance.
Traffic on JustAnswer rose 14 percent...and had nearly 400,000 page views in 30 days...inquiries related to stress, high blood pressure, drinking and heart pain jumped 33 percent.
Tory Johnson, GMA Workplace Contributor, discusses work-from-home jobs, such as JustAnswer in which verified Experts answer people’s questions.
I will tell you that...the things you have to go through to be an Expert are quite rigorous.

What Customers are Saying:

Thank you so much!!! I love this service. It has given me peace of mind and extremely valuable information at an affordable price 24/7 to care for my beloved pets. THANK YOU

LindaCenterreach, NY

I found my experience with you to be very positive. Not only did the vet answer my question thoroughly, he left me with a better knowledge to follow up with my vet.

MarilouEast Taunton, MA

I must tell you I found this site by accident and was amazed when I asked a question of the Veteranians online. I wish I could have found it sooner it could have made such a difference in the outcome of my pet's surgery. However, I am passing along the information to my sister-in-law (a cat-rescue person who is also a nurse), and perhaps it will help someone else who may experience the same problem. The doctor who answered my question was amazing, and while it didn't come it time to change the outcome of my situation, it is reassuring to know the caliber of Vets/Doctors that you have at JustAnswer. Thank you for being there.

Alice H.Jacksonville, Fl.

Wonderful service, prompt, efficient, and accurate. Couldn't have asked for more. I cannot thank you enough for your help.

Mary C.Freshfield, Liverpool, UK

This expert is wonderful. They truly know what they are talking about, and they actually care about you. They really helped put my nerves at ease. Thank you so much!!!!

AlexLos Angeles, CA

Thank you for all your help. It is nice to know that this service is here for people like myself, who need answers fast and are not sure who to consult.

GPHesperia, CA

I couldn't be more satisfied! This is the site I will always come to when I need a second opinion.

JustinKernersville, NC

< Previous | Next >

Meet the Experts:

August Abbott, CAS

August Abbott, CAS

Certified Avian Specialist

7,679 satisfied customers

Cert. Avian Specialist; Int. Assoc.Animal Behavior Consult; Pet Ind. Joint Advisory Council; author

Anna

Anna

Bird Expert, Biologist

1,338 satisfied customers

Have owned and/or raised parakeets, finches, cockatiels, and poultry over a period of thirty years.

Dr. Pat

Dr. Pat

Avian Veterinarian

621 satisfied customers

25 years as avian-only veterinarian

Joan

Joan

Vet. Tech.

97 satisfied customers

Vet Tech

Dr. Angela

Dr. Angela

Bird Veterinarian

77 satisfied customers

Member of the Association of Avian Veterinarians. Extensive avian clinical experience.

Dr. Bruce

Dr. Bruce

Veterinarian

49 satisfied customers

15 years of experience as a small animal veterinarian

Theresa

Theresa

Veterinary Technician

28 satisfied customers

Several years experience in handling, care, and health of our feathered friends

< Previous | Next >

Related Bird Questions
My 32 year old parrot looks as if its had a stroke of
My 32 year old parrot looks as if its had a stroke of somesorts cannot stand not eating have given her a drink of milk which she took ok… read more
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS
Certified Avian Specialist
7,679 satisfied customers
But h e climbs back up ladders with no problem he is
but h e climbs back up ladders with no problem he is clipped.my male parakeet whines a lot, lately his poop is runny and he pees a lot. he is quite stressed that the female doesn't show interest. he e… read more
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS
Certified Avian Specialist
7,679 satisfied customers
I found blood all along the pirch and some in the bottom of
I found blood all along the pirch and some in the bottom of the cage, But there doesn't sem to be any injuries? … read more
Dr. Michael Salkin
Dr. Michael Salkin
Veterinarian
DVM
3 satisfied customers
I'm unsure. I've never owned a bird before though I've done
I'm unsure. I've never owned a bird before though I've done a lot of research. I know this is the companion I want- I know this is a big responsibility... but I feel less prepared than I thought I was… read more
Anna
Anna
Bird Expert, Biologist
Bachelor's Degree
1,338 satisfied customers
I have a rooster that has swollen wattles and black comb and
I have a rooster that has swollen wattles and black comb and lethargic. I have had another rooster that his comb turned black and the points fell off, he has since passed.. I know it is some sort of d… read more
Dr. Michael Salkin
Dr. Michael Salkin
Veterinarian
DVM
3 satisfied customers
I brought a well socialized handfed cheek conure yesterday
Hello! I brought a well socialized handfed green cheek conure yesterday and he took to me very quickly (stepping up, accepting food, wanting attention, grooming me, etc.) and I wanted to get some advi… read more
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS
Certified Avian Specialist
7,679 satisfied customers
Seymour is a common cockatiel male,adult inherited by a
Seymour is a common gray cockatiel male,adult inherited by a nursing home when owner died. In last month, behavior has changed. Has defeated in food and water. Makes occasional short squawk. Has been … read more
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS
Certified Avian Specialist
7,679 satisfied customers
I have some 3 week old chickens. One of them is continually
Hi, I have some 3 week old chickens. One of them is continually scratching at his neck and head and removed all the feathers leaving his neck very red and sore. He is also drinking more water than the… read more
Dr. Michael Salkin
Dr. Michael Salkin
Veterinarian
DVM
3 satisfied customers
She's missing some feathers around her neck. None of the
She's missing some feathers around her neck. None of the other birds are. Noticed this last night as I found her laying on ground. Left for a minute, came back and saw and had gotten back into coop. O… read more
Anna
Anna
Bird Expert, Biologist
Bachelor's Degree
1,338 satisfied customers
21 yr old healthy male cockatiel presenting one wing in odd
Hello, 21 yr old healthy male cockatiel presenting one wing in odd position. Thinking feather cyst but vet did not mention upon exam. Been 2 weeks since vet visit. … read more
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS
Certified Avian Specialist
7,679 satisfied customers
Budgeriagar. bottom beak has been broken and been treating a
Budgeriagar. bottom beak has been broken and been treating a fungal problem. Dries up but wont go away. trimmed feathers. been on antibiotics. giving tonic, giving honey in water. bathing area with be… read more
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS
Certified Avian Specialist
7,679 satisfied customers
Feather loss on neck of baby ducklings. 1 week old duckling,
1 week old duckling, neck and side of face feather loss … read more
Anna
Anna
Bird Expert, Biologist
Bachelor's Degree
1,338 satisfied customers
My African Grey female just started sitting in her box at
My African Grey female just started sitting in her box at the bottom of the cage. Previously she has only played inside. She is approximately 15 years old. This is new behavior in the last few daysd. … read more
Anna
Anna
Bird Expert, Biologist
Bachelor's Degree
1,338 satisfied customers
Alexandrine hen Parrot, 4th year of laying 2 years ago had a
Alexandrine hen Parrot, 4th year of laying 2 years ago had a prolapse and operation, last year Jan laid 5 eggs and a 6th in March, Dec 26 2017 laid egg, and now 13th Jan laid 2nd egg without shell, sh… read more
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS
Certified Avian Specialist
7,679 satisfied customers
Our 10 yr old lovebird us dragging her right leg and trying
Our 10 yr old lovebird us dragging her right leg and trying to tripod herself up with her wng. She looks very uncomfortable and we dont if its a stroke. … read more
Anna
Anna
Bird Expert, Biologist
Bachelor's Degree
1,338 satisfied customers
I have a pair of lovebirds that have mated o n a regular
I have a pair of lovebirds that have mated o n a regular basis and have been able to sell their offspring . If I want them to mate all I had to do was put the nesting box on the cage. But for the last… read more
Dr. Michael Salkin
Dr. Michael Salkin
Veterinarian
DVM
3 satisfied customers
My cockatiel is throwing up clear liquid with alittle.
My cockatiel is throwing up clear liquid with alittle green … read more
August Abbott, CAS
August Abbott, CAS
Certified Avian Specialist
7,679 satisfied customers
I have 2 pullers that Have become off-balance. I first
I have 2 pullers that Have become off-balance. I first started noticing when one of them fell off the roost. I thought she hurt her leg or wing. Second pullet Started to lose balance and fell off the … read more
Dr. Michael Salkin
Dr. Michael Salkin
Veterinarian
DVM
3 satisfied customers
Disclaimer: Information in questions, answers, and other posts on this site ("Posts") comes from individual users, not JustAnswer; JustAnswer is not responsible for Posts. Posts are for general information, are not intended to substitute for informed professional advice (medical, legal, veterinary, financial, etc.), or to establish a professional-client relationship. The site and services are provided "as is" with no warranty or representations by JustAnswer regarding the qualifications of Experts. To see what credentials have been verified by a third-party service, please click on the "Verified" symbol in some Experts' profiles. JustAnswer is not intended or designed for EMERGENCY questions which should be directed immediately by telephone or in-person to qualified professionals.

Disclaimer: Information in questions, answers, and other posts on this site ("Posts") comes from individual users, not JustAnswer; JustAnswer is not responsible for Posts. Posts are for general information, are not intended to substitute for informed professional advice (medical, legal, veterinary, financial, etc.), or to establish a professional-client relationship. The site and services are provided "as is" with no warranty or representations by JustAnswer regarding the qualifications of Experts. To see what credentials have been verified by a third-party service, please click on the "Verified" symbol in some Experts' profiles. JustAnswer is not intended or designed for EMERGENCY questions which should be directed immediately by telephone or in-person to qualified professionals.

Show MoreShow Less

Ask Your Question

x