christhelawyer : HiWelcome to JustAnswer. My first response will follow shortly. Please feel free to follow up if anything is not clear
christhelawyer : I can reply with some confidence that the restraint of trade clause will not be effective to stop you going into another job. It would be possible to stop you working for yourself however. The reason for this is that the courts regard it as against public policy to restrain persons from obtaining employment, even in competition.
christhelawyer : Setting in your own business is different however, and in that case you would need to look at whether the clause was reasonable in the effect on you.
christhelawyer : 3 months is not a long time and is likely to be reasonable but the 100 km radius may be too much. It can depend on the nature of the job however.
christhelawyer : The non solicitation clause is more difficult. If customers come and find you, the former employer cannot do much, but if you were to initiate contact and ask for their business this would be contrary to the contract and could lead to you being sued.
christhelawyer : Of course you could ask for consent first and see if they would do so, in the context of you being made redundant. This would help in a situation where they were difficult, because having made you redundant, they would look foolish if they tried to stop you working, and their complaint would be seen as unreasonable.
Customer: Hi Chris, thanks for this feedback. Firstly I have no intention of taking a job with a direct competitor anyway, and the two opportunities I am currently investigating would not conflict in any way with the business of my former employer.
Customer: I want to know whether they can stop me emailing my LinkedIn network about my changed situation, given that many of their customers are LinkedIn connections for me. Also, there are several clients I want to phone to wish Merry Christmas and say I enjoyed working with them. Is that likely to cause me problems do you think?
christhelawyer : As long as this is social they cannot stop you. Posting on Linked In is fine, as this is not a direct contact. It is an interesting point, but if you think of this as a form of public notice, it is fine in my view. The important thing to avoid is soliciting their customers to use you in the new job, and as long as you do not do this you are clear.
christhelawyer : Similarly, phoning them for seasons greetings is fine, but avoid any suggestion they need to use you in the new job, keep it just social.
Customer: Sorry, I hit return at the end of a para and this system posts my unfinished comments. Very annoying. When you mention asking for consent in the last para above, i take it you refer to the existing Restraint of Trade wording, and that I ask them for consent to be released from the R of T. Please confirm.
Customer: re LinkedIn, my intentions is to download the list of contacts and send them each an email. I will not be touting for business, since I have no new job yet anyway. Also, the non-solicitation refers to "client/customer" and "prospective client/customer". Anybody could be a prospective client/customer; how reasonable is that restriction?
christhelawyer : If you are not working for a competitor you don't need consent. And since you are just moving from one employer to another the restraint is unenforceable, as I discuss above. By all means tell them where you are going but you do not need consent or permission.
Customer: What about the "prospective client/customer" re no solicitation? I guess if I'm not soliciting, it doesn't matter what their status is?
christhelawyer : For the LinkedIn contacts why not just announce you are going and leave it at that. When you get the new job also announce that on the profile or your news. And yes to the soliciting issue, if you are not asking them to send you work that should not be a problem.
Customer: I've already changed my LinkedIn status to that effect. However every month i send an email with a "quote of the month" to my contact database including clients just to stay in touch. So they are used to hearing from me on a one to one basis, and I want them to have my new cellphone number, or is giving them that tantamount to "solicitation"?
christhelawyer : That is coming close to crossing the line. There would be no need to email your contacts except for purely social reasons, and this may be unwise. And it goes without saying you should not do this on a work computer.
Customer: I have no work computer now anyway. Still, can you comment on the "prospective client/customer" as mentioned above. I can easily exclude anyone who is a current client of the company.
christhelawyer : What sort of business is this and what was your role?
Customer: I was an account manager for a mailhouse and marketing services company. Their official definition of a current customer for bonus/commission calculations is a business that has spent with them in the last 12 months. I can exclude them, and also any prospects who have pending jobs, who I have already briefed the MD about.
Customer: That's one company not two by the way.
christhelawyer : I suggest you be very cautious. I emphasise that any social contact will be ok, but your former employer could correctly critiicise a mail out to all your contacts, even excluding current customers.
Customer: Sorry, "correctly criticise"? What does that mean? Meaning he would disapprove? But what could he do actually about it? And what if it was to only some of my contacts? And I would still like your comment re "prospective client/customer" which seems to me a "catch-all" phrase that is totally unreasonable.
Customer: Hi Chris, I am still waiting for your answer to my last questions before I close this off. Please respond.
christhelawyer : Sorry there was a software glitch which meant I could not reach this earlier.
christhelawyer : When I say correctly criticise, I mean enforce the clause in court. The law prevents you from accessing existing clients. You can approach new clients but only if this are really new and not through contacts with former clients at your old job.
Customer: Thanks, ***** ***** am still confused and wanting clarification of this further as follows: refer to the no-solicitation clause quotes, in articular " . . . solicit, endeavour to entice away from or discourage from being employed by the Employer, any other employee or actual client/customer or prospective client/customer of the Employer."
Customer: Damn the return key - does the word "solicit" and the rest of this clause as quoted above relate to approaching people, as defined, in relation to "entice" -ing them away from my former employer, or for any reason whatsoever? And how would one define a "prospective client/customer"? Is that anyone anywhere who might possibly use the company's services, which seems ridiculous and surely unreasonable?
christhelawyer : Can I suggest you read this recent case which will explain how this works in practice. http://www.nzlii.org/cgi-bin/sinodisp/nz/cases/NZEmpC/2011/63.html?query=Hally%20labels
christhelawyer : In this case the facts are a bit similar to yours, and the Employment Court discussed the law in some detail. In that case an injunction was ordered
Customer: Hi Chris
I have read the case you sent to me and it does not help me at all, except that I note that
the restrictions in this case very specifically refer to "competitors of the Company" whereas
in my case the contract does not make this distinction.
I repeat below the clause I am concerned about, with my added emphasis by way of underlines:
"Non Solicitation - The Employee shall not at any time during the period of employment or for
a period of six months after termination of employment, for whatever reason, either on the
Employee's own account or for any other person, firm, organisation or company, solicit,
endeavour to entice away from or discourage from being employed by the Employer, any other
employee or actual client/customer or prospective client/customer of the Employer."
I am trying to establish whether it is reasonable to consider that "any other person, firm,
organisation or company" implies "competitors of the Company"? Otherwise my argument is that
the restriction is completely unreasonable, because it applies to "any company at all".
The other key phrase is " ...endeavour to entice away from...".
It seems to me that the intent of this clause is to restrict me from encouraging or persuading
any client, or employee, or prospective client of the Employer to take their business (or, if
employees, their services) elsewhere (i.e. to a competitor). If this is the correct
interpretation I have no problem with it because I have no intention of doing any of those
things.
In which case I don't see why I could not communicate with the contact list I have built which
includes clients and prospects of the company provided I am only communicating at a personal level, or even discussing the benefits of products or services not available from my former employer. For example, if I approach client A to sell them product B, being not a product offered by my former employer, how could this be held to be detrimental to the Company, and therefore restricted.
Would you agree with this?.
The other thing I am trying to establish, is whether the word "solicit" in the context of this
clause also implies "communicating with a client/prospect in order to persuade them to take
their business to a competitor" because I have no intention of attempting this. But, if it
could be held to mean "communicating with a client/prospect of the Company about anything at
all" then again such an embargo seems completely unreasonable. Please provide your opinion re
this.
christhelawyer : The clause is indeed very wide. Perhaps the risk is not so much stopping you, but the cost of litigation even if you are right, and they try to stop you anyway. The issue is about interference with the ties between your former employer and the clients and prospective clients. If you are seen to have taken advantage of this relationship they may decide to sue. They would regard the information about the clients as be.ongong to them, and your use of it is a breach of confidence.
christhelawyer : What they could stop is soliciting the client and bringing then to a new employer or your own business. They could not stop you contacting them to just tell the customer that you have left. But even telling them where you are now working could be regarded as soliciting.