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Experience:  Mechanical Engineer BEng Hons 22 years experience in car engine industry, 10 years in formula 1
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Rough idle only at idle. Consistant, 2007 Eclypse 3.8

Customer Question

Rough idle only at idle.
JA: Is the rough idle intermittent or consistent?
Customer: Consistant
JA: What is the model/year of your Mitsubishi?
Customer: 2007 Eclypse 3.8 Spyder
JA: What year is your Spyder?
Customer: 2007
JA: Are you fixing your Spyder yourself? What have you tried so far?
Customer: New timing belt. New plugs. New air filter. New MAP sensor. New O2 sensor , Bank 1 sensor 2. Cleaned with spray thottle intake.
JA: Anything else you want the mechanic to know before I connect you?
Customer: Mileage is 145000. a few mechanics are stumped. Other than the rough idle car runs great.
Submitted: 1 month ago.
Category: Mitsubishi
Expert:  350matt replied 1 month ago.

Hello
This could be an airleak after the airflow meter, any air dragged in here isn't 'seen' by the ECU and so not compensated for and can lean the engine out and can also allow the engine to rev up when not desired causing rough running.
As its a mechanical fault it tends not to turn on the fault light and you can sometimes hear a 'hissing' noise with the engine running.

Check the hose clips for tightness and inspect the trunking for any cracks or splits and also all the vacuum system, the small bore pipes and fittings for cracks and missing parts.

The best way to locate a leak is to have the engine running and warm and then spray lighter gas /propane or brake cleaner around each joint in turn. If the engine rev's up you've found your leak.
Now you might think that spraying lighter gas around a hot engine isn’t wise, however the flash /ignition point of gas is about 400°C so you need a naked flame or spark to set it off and I’ve used this method for many years without incident.
Work your way through each possible joint one at a time and you should find it. I use a slightly flattened piece of brake pipe and some rubber hose from the can of lighter gas to provide a spraying 'wand' and allow a direct blast of gas into each area, especially those difficult to reach with large implements.

Air leaks are very temperature dependent as gaps can open up as things expand with temperature so depending on how the leak occurs ( on a hose joint with a clamp expansion will help seal and on a vacuum hose expansion ill make a leak worse) so leaks can be better or worse as the engine heats up.

It’s also worth getting the fuel pressure checked as if this is low due to a blocked filter or faulty regulator or even a poorly pump will all result in insufficient fuel being delivered to the engine

Might also be worth cleaning out the throttle body as these get clogged up with carbon and some brake cleaner washed through helps free things off.

Might also be worth checking the wiring and connector to the airflow meter for any signs of corrosion or damage. you can do a quick fault find if you unplug the meter and run the engine without it.
if the engine condition is the same then chances are the meter or the connection to it is faulty

It’s also worth cleaning the MAF sensor wires, as they can get coated with dirt over time which then offsets the reading
Use some contact cleaner or brake cleaner to spray onto the wires to remove the dirt – on no account touch the wires with anything as they are very fragile

Expert:  350matt replied 1 month ago.

Hi
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Customer: replied 30 days ago.
I have not had time to get my mechanic to perform the search.
Expert:  350matt replied 30 days ago.

understood

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Customer: replied 20 days ago.
Check vacuum lines with butane torch
No change in engine rpm. Can you tell me specific location of pc valve on 3.8 eclipse engine?
Expert:  350matt replied 20 days ago.

Hello

OK it should be on the end of the cam cover

see the attached image

Customer: replied 20 days ago.
3.8 not 3.0 are they the same?
Customer: replied 20 days ago.
Are 3.0 and 3.8 the same?
Expert:  350matt replied 20 days ago.

yes they are essentially the same engine just the 3.8 is a bored and stroked version

Customer: replied 18 days ago.
Hey Matt, just installed new pcv. No change in idle.
Expert:  350matt replied 18 days ago.

Hello

OK running out of options here.

one other thing to try is clamping shut the brake booster vacuum line

as I've known them to spring a leak internally and then provide a leak path / vacuum leak into the manifold

Customer: replied 18 days ago.
Nothing involving evap purge valve? My gut feeling is just a stupid small vacuum leak that I'm not finding. I used butane to check around the small lines. Would you try starter fluid on a cold engine (fire hazard) and just be careful about where to spray?
Expert:  350matt replied 18 days ago.

Hello

the flash point (temperature required to ignite) for most combustible fluids is around 750 Degrees F so you need a hot glowing exhaust or a spark to set them off

so yes using starter fluid or brake cleaner can be used to detect a leak

Expert:  350matt replied 9 days ago.

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