I have 2008 volvo vnl 780 with d12. Turbo is not boosting. I beleive it is a fuel problem. I have changed boost censor,

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Customer: I have 2008 volvo vnl 780 with d12. Turbo is not boosting. I beleive it is a fuel problem. I have changed boost censor, fuel filters, checked exhaust break, and for pressure leaks.
JA: What is the complete model and serial number of your machine?
Customer: Engine model ve-d12 465 horse power truck serial number 4v4nc9gh78n479498 with auto trans
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I would first check the fuel lift pump and the screen at the bottom of the fuel suction pipe. Also it might be air sucked in on the suction side of the fuel system at a small leak. That would leak a bit with the engine off.
Customer
I have cleaned screen and lift pump is good. I have 57lbs of fuel pressure.
Customer
I have no active codes showing either. Truck runs perfect ecept it has no power to pull.
Obvious but I need to ask: did you check the air filter? There might also be a screen in the suction in the engine cover
Customer
air filter is new!
Customer
It will not boost over 8lbs.
Any exhaust leak before the turbo , manifold for example? Or leaks in the boost intake side? Intercooler, pipes and hoses? Turbo vanes itself bad. Any smoke?
I am travelling in Brazil and have bad connection so response time will be bad
Customer
All pipping hoses are good. Turbo seems to be in very good shape. No exhaust leaks. No smoke at all. All hoses has been pressure tested and so has air to air. Truck runs like new just no power.

Hello, My name is***** am a Volvo/Mack master tech. Allow me to try and help you out here. You had said that you checked the engine brake. Can you tell me exactly how you had checked the ex brake? Thanks

Customer
I took it off the truck made sure it was open. I put a new line kit on it as well while i had it off.
Customer
We are a small trucking company with a shop. But this is my first volvo engine. The truck does not have any fault codes.

Are you sure that the epg control valve is not sending air to it while the key is on or engine running? Is the ex temp raising above normal? like a plugged muffler? Do you have PTT?

Customer
We thought of that so we ran truck with seal broke between back of turbo and break. It ran the same. The reason we changed the line kit was because the rubber was broke on the line.
Customer
Egr temps are all normal.

And it is running fine all the time just lacks power? Has a cylinder balance test been ran on this with the PC? The other thing I have seen and checked is the preheater block. If there is studs coming out of both sides then it has the heating grid inside. At times when the egr cooler fails it will put coolant out of the cooler into the crossover pipe in front of the valve cover and will soak the preheater coils which will start to collect soot which will restrict air flow into the manifold. I haven't seen any issues with the VCB solenoids sticking on them. If it had an egr valve sticking under a load you would have a fault for that, either a sid 146 or 266. If you pop the cac clamp off of the cold side at the black cac hose you can lift it out of the way and look down the mixer for any build up

Customer
it runs fine all the time. It will not boost over 8lbs. Cylinder balance seems to be fine. The truck has had a new egr cooler put on it. I will check for build up in the morning.
Customer
My fuel pressure censor stays on 57lbs it does not move so i replaced censor. It still does not move off 57lbs even though my mechanical guage moves from 57 to about 68lbs.

Okay, If the preheater is good with no restrictions then that will rule out your intake restrictions. You had said earlier that there is no cac leaks so that rules out that portion of the 4-strokes. On these D12D's we have had a handful of trucks having a very similar issue that needed the injectors replaced. The needle control valves inside will wear and its weird how it happens so soon. This is usually a last resort after everything else is ruled out of course. The unit running good will not signify an overhead issue so I would not be concerned about that. The only other thing I can think of at the moment is the turbo mounting gasket. They had restrictor plates in them that were made out of ceramic that would break and they would fall down inside the turbine housing and chew up the ex fins, If that was checked when the epg housing was off I wouldn't worry about that. If all of that is fine then I would replace the injectors in it. You have to have good combustion to have good boost pressure.

Customer
I would agree except i dont have any starting issues smoking or stumbling.
Customer
Is it possible the emc is not calling for more fuel and not throw a code.

The injector needle control valves being worn out will not cause a starting issue, That is when the cups leak or the tip of the injector is cracked. These injectors were built when it was just low sulfur fuel, Then in 2007 the ULSD came out, sulfur being a lubricant was dropped down even more and when a proper amount of additive is not introduced it will cause wear over time. Inside these injectors there is also a spill valve that can wear out which when it is bad it will cause the injector to dump some of the supply fuel on that stroke back out of the return. The stumbling is often seen on the d13, d11, and d16 Volvo engines. That is a totally different injector and different injection pressures. It wont smoke because the ecm is adjusting the fuel for how much boost it has, which says that the ecm is not the cause. If the ecm was causing for less fuel it would smoke under a load because you would have more air than fuel, The only ecms I have ever seen bad on these d12D's is for a injector driver, one for egr valve fault, and one that had a 5v supply circuit shorting out. I have been working on these engines since 1999 when the D12B's were out. We have had to put injectors in them as well.

Customer
Ok can these injectors be tested?

One other item I would check as well. I know you said the boost pressure sensor is new. That has a lead that runs into the vector box which still runs thru the engine harness. I would unbolt it and take a pressure regulator and a small hose that will fit around the tip of the sensor and apply air to it. Use a gauge regulator and match the gauge to the sensor, try and reach up to 20 psi and see if the matches the reading. This will help in checking the integrity of the harness and make sure the return circuit is good on the sensor, Just so that the ecm is getting the right info from the sensor.

Customer
Ok i will try that first.

We as a dealership do not have a way of checking them like that. We can only run a balance test and load the unit up to check. plus just cutout test. We have a injection pump shop close that claims they can check them, so far over the last 18 years we have been sending injectors to them they say that they are junk. One time we sent a brand new injector off the shelf(known new) and they said it was bad. Unless they take the injector apart and use a micrometer on all of the parts and a magnifying optic eye, and microscopic tip tester, they really cant tell anything. The problem is on all these injector systems anymore there is really no tolerances. No room for error.

Customer
Ok. I just hate throwing parts at a problem without knowing for sure.
I understand 100%. Let me know if you find anything out with some of the other items I told you about. Thanks
Customer
I will let you know tomorrow.
Thank you.
Customer
Ok put manaul gauge drove truck down rd. Fuel pressure started at 57 rent to 95lbs. That seems really high.
There is only a couple of items that will make high fuel pressure. 95 is a little high. Has this truck had a fuel filter housing put on it recently? Or had the banjos taken out to a point that they could have been mixed up?
Customer
No new fuel housing. Dumb question what banjos?
The fuel screws are called banjos. The hollow screws. The reason why I ask is because on the d12d there in an orfice one but if it wasn’t messed with then I would worry about it. If the overflow valve sticks it can cause it but that won’t really cause any performance issues. The other issue with high fuel pressure is injectors leaking. A pressure sensor or gauge can’t tell the difference between air or fluid pressure. The d12d usually doesn’t pass air out of the return when they leak it just recirculates the air as this engine has a very minimal return.
Customer
It seems like the turbo should boost if we getting that kind pressure.
your 100% sure that the epg is not kicking on or the piston is stuck closed? I have taken those epg housings all the way off the trucks and driven them to make sure. The fuel pressure only has about 25% to do with boost pressure. A lot of it has to do with compression and ignition. If the injectors are only injecting a partial amount of fuel it is not producing the right amount of ex pressure to drive the turbo. Which you need fuel pressure and good supply to the injectors which it sounds like you do. So I would say that the injectors are probably worn out. Think of the needle controls in them like a piston in an engine. The more wear it has the more bypasses by the piston. The only other thing I would try is connect a fuel pressure gauge to the outlet of the head in the front. There is a top banjo bolt you can take out. I would get another one and drill and tap a hole in it for a pressure gauge. This will allow you to check for fuel pressure drop thru the cylinder head. If your familiar with the Cummins isx engines it’s basically the same as checking fuel pressure drop for plugged filters except your checking to make sure the pressure at the head is the same as the pressure going in. Maybe there is a restriction in the feed system and the injectors are starving
Customer
I will do that in moroning. Thank you.
No problem, let me know
Customer
Ok i checked fuel coming out of head. I let fuel run into bucket. When i did this fuel pressure went to normal.

Well that is also checking before the overflow valve, Did you have any air in the return flow?

Customer
No air. But when you put line back pressire goes back up to 95 lbs

Check the spring in the overflow valve then, See if it feels like it is hanging up. It should have steady spring pressure on it. Either way if its getting non-aireated fuel supply to the engine that is above normal it will not cause a low power issue. Did you check the pressure at that point you connected the hose to?

Customer
I put gauge on pump pressure was 70lbs. Could filter housing be bad?

So you had 70 psi at the top of the cylinder head at the fitting? or on the filter housing at the sensor? It should be checked at the head location as well, so you can isolate the complete fuel delivery

Customer
No i had 70 on fuel pump it self. 95 from filter housing on. When we took line off on front of the head and put in bucket all pressure dropped to normal. But the line from the check valve that splits from enm and to return to pump the return line to pump had no fuel coming out.
How did you check the pressure at the fuel pump? Those are flanged oring sealed connections. Now out of the return out of the filter housing there will not be much fuel. What is the last 6 of that vin number?

Here is a complete overview of the fuel system on that engine. It may have a standard fuel filter housing on it without the primer pump. The location and the direction of the fuel remains the same.

Customer
Ok i have chage over flow valve on return side of the head. I still have 52 at idile and over 87 at fuel load. Micheal diagnostics say change valve if you have these pressures but a new valve gives me the same 52 and over 87. I made my on over flow valve fuel pressure dropped but dropped to much. Truck runs much better but the most boost I can get is in 7th gear 9lbs. I took it to a volve mechanic with volvo software he could not find anything.
Well 52 at idle is good. The mid 80’s isn’t that bad either. Either or, higher fuel pressure will not cause low boost pressure. Unless there is air or compression in the fuel where the injectors are not firing right. So as long as you are 100% sure that the epg shutter is working properly and the egr valves are working as they should, there is no cac leaks or intake restrictions, it has to be injectors.
Customer
ok other than looking in tanks whats best way check for air in fuel i will recheck.
Customer
But mitchele does say i have to much pressure.
Mitchell is not Volvo. The way I check for return is putting a clear line out of the return with a quick fuel line fitting at the rear of the filter housing. There is a fuel line kit to isolate where air is being ingested but I would start with the clear line. Just get like 5/8 line which you can get at any department store
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