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2005 Mazda Tribute. Four out...
2005 Mazda Tribute. Four out of Five times vehicle turns over and cranks fine. However it randomly will sometimes not turn over at all. Usually get a one click sound with blinking key light on the dash. Notice that if I put in neutral and push it about 15 yards +/- that it will sometimes turn over and crank - not sure if this is tricking the anti theft system (if that is the problem) or coincidental. Had a friend with snap on tool scanner retrieve code "B1681 PATS"
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Normally thies symptoms and this code are sign of a failing PATS transceiver in the steering column where the key is inserted.

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Will keys have to be reprogrammed by dealer if I replace the PATS transceiver. Is this a common problem with the old tribute?
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
can it be replaced with removing the steering wheel?

No programming is needed.

It is replaced by just removing the upper and lower steering column shrouds.

No this is not common.

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
dealer only part I assume - or junk yard? Thanks

Dealer or junkyard.

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Replaced cranked and ran two times - turned off for about 10 minutes came back and would not crank on the third time. Just one click and key light flashing.

Do you know which codes are stored now?

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
No I do not. Would have to get it cranked again and take by friends shop to read the codes.
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
where is the anti theft module located?

It is built into and part of the PCM.

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Any other suggestions

At this point we are stuck at needing to know which codes are stored now. I can also provide the Ford diag steps for the previous code if that is needed.

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
B1600 and B1681
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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Just got back from Thanksgiving Holiday. Since the problem is intermittent - could some of these connections that you are suggesting - test good but still be the problem. Also noticed that most of the time it acts up after driving and it has warmed up - will not crank after stopping. Seems to crank right up most of time when its cold.

Intermittent concerns are the hardest to find, but if you thoroughly check things you can rule some of them out.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
File document links you sent are not working anymore?

They expired, they are good again now to be saved this time.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
If I replace the PCM using out of another tribute - does it have to be reprogrammed at the dealer?

Programmed yes, at a dealer, not exactly, come independent shops can do it.

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