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It cranks but will NOT turn over. Not yet, this morning it…

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It cranks but will...

It cranks but will NOT turn over

Mechanic's Assistant: Have you checked the fuel supply? And are all the spark plugs working?

Not yet, this morning it turned on but then it started fluttering

Mechanic's Assistant: What is the model/year of your Kia?

So i turn it off

Mechanic's Assistant: What year is your Kia?

2008 Sedona

Mechanic's Assistant: Are you fixing your Sedona yourself? What have you tried so far?

Yes

Mechanic's Assistant: Anything else you want the mechanic to know before I connect you?

Unplugged the battery from both terminals

Submitted: 8 months ago.Category: Kia
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Kia Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician  replied 8 months ago
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Hello my name is ***** ***** welcome to just answers! I will be assisting you with all of your vehicle questions today. Give me one moment while I review your question and come back with a answer. Please be aware I do not know your skill level or abilities so I will be asking a lot of questions and in a lot of cases we will respond to each other quite a lot before we find a solution. As far as phone calls are concerned that is the system prompting you, not me, and they do cost more money, I prefer text but in some cases a phone call is required. If I don’t answer right away or quickly in conversation I am helping another customer or have stepped out for a moment and will respond as soon as I can. Ok lets get started!

Is there a check engine light coming on?

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
not a problem
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
it
Kia Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician  replied 8 months ago

OK so we will need to get those codes from the vehicle do you have access to a scanner?

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
to give you further info , checked the fuel pump it works fine
Kia Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician  replied 8 months ago

what pressure did you get when you checked it?

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
no I do not have access to a code scanner
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
I did not check the pressuer
Kia Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician  replied 8 months ago

ok so that will prob tell us why its not starting, so without a code scanner you will have to check a lot different things to see and fuel 2 are fuel pressure and spark, let me know what you get on those and we go from there

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
I checked to see if there was voltage to the pump and made a little mess by unplugging the hose and gas did come out. used the access under the seat passenger seat driver side.
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
if i go buy a scanner will anyone work?
Kia Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician  replied 8 months ago

ok it could be pumping but if there is not enough pressure the system will not work, and yes any basic scanner should tell you whats going on, always good to have one with abs a bcm capabilities though if you are going to buy one

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
my next question is once I get the codes can I come back and continue this session or will I have to pay the fee again?
Kia Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician  replied 8 months ago

no extra fees at all you can return to this conversation for as long as you would like and it can span over a few days all at the one time fee you paid at the beginning

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
this is the unit i am probably going to buy Cen-Tech Professional OBDII Scan Tool
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
will it work
Kia Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician  replied 8 months ago

yes that shod be able to read everything, there are a ton of different models though, if you dont get the abs or bcm functions then 20 bucks is about right on the price

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
What is ABS or BCM?
Kia Mechanic: Mechanic01, ASE Certified Technician  replied 8 months ago

anti lock brake system and body control module, if there are any issues with that system which is a common thing in those vehicles this option will allow you to navigate the bcm computer

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Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Hey Shawn could not get any codes, but I do have one bit of info, there is no current getting to the spark plugs.
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
Crankshaft sensor good,
Customer reply replied 8 months ago
are you there
Kia Mechanic: David Craig, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago
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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
For now I am fine, never got the attachment you sent, hopefully I ordered the right thing.
Kia Mechanic: David Craig, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

I'm a different tech and I don't see what attachment you were supposed to receive.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
oh great
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
We went over everything with David, to give you an updated we did every test possible, Pulse, pressure, spark, pump, everything he had us check, and there were no service codes, and the only thing that was left was the possibility that the alarm/anti theft system was interfering with the ignition, the anti theft system was not working on the vehicle, so he said that all indications brought it down to the device I ordered of which I just sent a picture of.
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
the only thing that was not happening was current was not reaching the injectors.
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
hello
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago
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I am sorry there is such a delay in trying to reach an expert, would you like me to assist you further? I have reviewed your question and all comments.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
One of the other kia experts said that the alarm system can interfere with the engine starting, is that corrwct
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

That is correct it can. I will need to review this whole case again and get back to you after review

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Just to give you what we checked, fuel presure test, ok, spark, ok, pulse ok, crank shaft sensor ok, the only and last thing was that the alarm system did not work.
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Over time the remote was not unlocking the door, and I was using the key to unlock the car.
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

ok and unkown about trouble codes correct? in the immobilizer module

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
No trouble codes came up
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

ok so immobilizer communicated and had no codes? if thats the case it cant be the security system

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I sent a pic of the devise that I was told to buy
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Oh great
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago
If fuel spark pulse is ok what is the compression at?
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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Cant quite remember either 80 or 180
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

can we verify, min spec is 156 max is 177

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Not now I am not at the car
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

ok let me know after you check

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Is that the range the fuel pressure should be at?
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

No that is the ENGINE compression

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Now u lost me
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

Its where you take a spark plug off, and install a gauge on the spark plug hole and see how much the engine compression it has. That is pretty much the only thing left to check. If compression is low or no good then it will be engine mechanical related

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Compression was 180
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
That was the mesuerment, that was not the fuel pressuer
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

If pulse is ok spark is ok compression is ok on EACH CYLINDER & fuel is ok then we would have to see if the spark plugs are good along with the injectors visually see them inject gas

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Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

no codes indicate it is not sensor related such as mass air flow. monitor fuel trims on data screen and give me the readings.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
The only thing we could find was no current was reaching the injectors
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago
Then you do not have pulse if you do not have current to the injectors
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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
All i know is that he plugged in some little light thing and it flashed
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

If there is no power to the injector, I need you to locate the 15 amp injector fuse and tell me if it has power there or not

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Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

Where did he plugged it in to. If it was the injector connecter that he plugged it in to then you will have power and ground at the connector. If you have no power at the injector it will not flash on

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
The injector connector
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

if the noid light pulsed, then you do have power to injectors.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Ok????
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
We don't know any more what to do and I bought a part and now I find out that that might not be the problem and now I have been almost two weeks with being able to work.
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

Im just concerned and confused when you say you have pulse but no power to injector. All cylinder should not have the same compression at 180 It should all vary and be within 20%

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
its the only car I have for everything, work
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
When aki this happened it was in the morning, got I the car and turned it on like normal and it turned on like normal then I started to flutter and I turned it off and I never started again
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
It was low on oil so I added some.
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

Do you still have the intake manifold removed? It is required to remove so you can test compression on the rear cylinders right?

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
All it did was crank but would not start. I called my mechanic and first thing he did was check the fuel pump and that checked out fine.
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Then i had it towed to his shop.
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

ok so are they testing it now? I thought you were doing all the tests

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
No i am talking with you and calling the mechanic because I don't have a way to get overthere
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I don't think he took the manifold off
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

Are they a known good reviewed repair shop?

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
He was referred by a freind
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

Interesting.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Plus the Kia dealer here has a very poor reputation and I don't trust them.
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago
Understandable, I always like to do a google search and look at the reviews each place has and consider my options then :)
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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
What are the possible causes as why the motor won't start?
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

The possibilities are really endless, we need to first receive accurate information from the person handling your vehicle

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I am having the car towed back to my house and Sunday a mechanic friend is coming over to look at it, he is a master mechanic for Honda.
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

That is good keep me informed

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Ok
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

thank you

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Good afternoon
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Having a friend come to look at my car
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

sounds good let me know how it goes.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I still tell you the remote will not lock or unlock doofs
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

Anything else going on?

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
He is checking
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
It out
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

ok

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Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

Water in the fuel?

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Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

or diesel

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I started but the check engine light is blinking.
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

It must be running rough right? Looks like the fuel system is contaminated. Tank will have to be dropped and cleaned out.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
We emptied the fuel tank and filled with 93 octagon no ethonol.
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

You clear out the lines and injection rail?

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Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

How did the plugs look after? Were they flooded? Clean them with carb spray. Or try letting it continue to burn the rest of it off while its rough until smoke finishes out

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Codes are say missfireing
Kia Mechanic: Mike, Auto Mechanic replied 7 months ago

Of course, there must still be either water or diesel in the fuel system that still needs to be burned off. It will either finally burn off, if not you may have to now check misfire issue and inspect coils and plugs.

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