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Air conditioner blowing warm air.
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Customer: 2012 Kia Optima. Air conditioner doesn't appear to be working ie air blowing from vents is warm not cold.
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Customer: Yes. Car has 103, 000 miles on it.
JA: Great! What have you tried so far?
Customer: Recharging it with freon however low pressure line was way over pressure (>100psi)
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Customer: Ac lines are warm not cold after idling engine on high with ac turned on max for 15 minutes
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
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Hi there thanks for thr question. Do you know or not if your compressor is running and how about thr cooling fans
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I believe it is. I can hear a difference in engine load when turning o the ac. Also feel hot engine air difference in engine compartment when on.
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Are you still researching problem?
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Can I get some feedback?
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
How long do I have to wait for a response? You have asked one question to which I replied.
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I'm going to tell Visa to cancel this order if I don't hear anything back from you in the next 15 minutes. At this point I'm thinking I have been scammed.
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Sir in here
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Forgive me I live in thr south and we are in thr middle of a bad storm
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Sir you have not been scammed let's fix your car
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Oksy you say the compressor is coming on. The pipes that go inside thr car there is a small one and big one. With ac on engine running is the small pipe getting cold
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Sir did you cancel on me? Anyway I meant thr big pipe is it getting cold, the small one should be hot. Knowing this will help us determine if we possibly have a problem with thr temp door or actuator
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Both pipes are warm to hot after being on max cold for 10 minutes.
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Are you there?
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Okay if both pipes are warm the compressor may not be coming on or it has failed can u see the compressor
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Do you have gauges to hook up to ac
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
I see a lot of kias in for this and I real common problem is thr magnetic clutch on the compressor
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Gauge on low pressure line reads >100 psi.
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
What can I do?
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
What diagnostic test can I do to see if this is the problem? Could it be due to the evaporative cooler?
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
No. You mentioned something about the pressure do u have gauges
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Actually around 100 psi would be normal with thr compressor not running.
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
If you can see thr compressor have someone turn it on so you can see if thr clutch is engaging
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
It looks like the clutch is engaging but hard to say for sure.
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
It's rotating all the time
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Do you have gauges
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I don't have gauges for both high and low pressure lines. Only the low pressure line when I tried filling with freon (>100 psi)
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Did you try looking at thr compressor while someone turned thr ac on and off
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
it appears to always turn but at different rates when on vs off. My dads Kia does the same.
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Ok. If it is coming on and both thr pipes are hot we are gonna need those gauges
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
we can diagnose whether it is a bad compressor or expansion valve
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Ok. I'm going to go get them Be back in 30-45 minutes
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Okay I will be checking in with you
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Low side was >100 psi, high side was in the normal range 125 psi. Temperature is about 75F.
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Okay if your compressor is coming on its bad, it isn't pumping
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
With the ac on and working properly you would see 25 to 40 on low and 225 275 on high
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Do this watch your gauges and see whst thr pressure does as you cut the ac on and off
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
When ac is off pressures shoukd equalize and be around 100 psi on both sides
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Once you turn on ac thr high will rise and low side will lower, with your pressures it would indicate the compressor isn't pumping although it did rise by 25 psi on high side
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Your next move is to confirm that the compressor is engaging, you can do that by watching pressures when the ac is turned on if it's engaging. Go get a compressor kit from advance, and I will help you put it on you will save as much as 5 to 700
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I tried everything you suggested. Gushes did not move (low still above 100 before turning engine on, and while running with or without ac). I decided to turn engine off and evacuate all the air from the low by pushing in the pin with a screw driver. No freon came out at all suggesting no freon in the system. Now when I ran the system with ac on or off pressure stayed low in low line, but high pressure was also low. Decided to try to fill low with freon. I didn't add much, maybe 10-15% of can and low went very high again while high stayed low (80-100psi). What's this telling you?
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Nothing really seems to happen to the pressure gauges when I turn the ac on or off.
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Good morning
You say thr low went very high, how high? It sounds to me like your compressor isn't coming on. I'm about to look at circuit for thr compressor I will be rigjt back
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Locate the ac compressor relay in thr underhood fuse box it will be labeled. Remove that relay and using a jumper wire bypass the relay sending 12 volts down to thr compressor this will force it to come on. Thr relay pins will be numbered jump 30 to 87
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
If it comes on and starts cooling were gonna need a scantool. But a real common part for that probkem is thr evaporater temp sensor
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Btw, I really appreciate all your help Reggie!
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Sir I do apologize my laptop crashed today, hard drive I beleive, all my programming software everything.
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
I do appreciate your patience I am trying to open your pic
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
Okay thr fuse that's labeled acon and the relay HAC
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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
R u online now
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Ok, I see the fuses. What should I do next?
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

first make sure the fuse is good and that relay pull it out the blades coming out of it should have numbers 85 86 30 87

you want to take a jumper and put between 87 and 30 that will make the compressor run if not take a test light and make sure you have power at both leads if you do go down to the compressor and make sure you have 12 volts coming in if you do compressor is bad

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

good morning my friend, I am online, computer repaired lets get you some ac today. That relay may be numbered different two of the blades should be larger than the other 2 the large ones are we are working.

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

I need to know a couple things there are 2 different systems on your car do you have automatic or manual air conditioning and your engine size

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
you want to take a jumper and put between 87 and 30 that will make the compressor"...Does this mean connect the two outlets with a wire and I should here the compressor turn on at this point?
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

No sir hold on that you have the premiere automatic ac system, hold till i finish looking at circuit

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago
call me it will be easier
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Tried calling but you were out and mailbox was full. My number is(###) ###-####cell or(###) ###-####wk
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Scan tool Launch Creader VII+?
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

Launch Idiag its a little yellow connector works bluetooth with your cellphone or tablet

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

here is something to consider the dealership would charge you somewhere between 2 and 300 dollars just to diagnose the problem. That scanner will cost you less than half that and the next time you need it it will be paying you

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I see something about having to pay for software after registering x431 auto diag. They say there's also free software (OBDII).
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

sir how did you find that? OMG i thought those were all pulled.. Sir yes you have to buy each carline at about 67 a piece but its lifetime, and get this you have full functionality you can clear codes activate devices, make adjustments, coding everything there 5000 dollar scanner does, i will warnyou it might say us but its actually china but thats cool, I didnt know they made it in apple. Sir if that is what i think it is, buy it immediately

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

yes that is actually the one i was telling you about, now they offer two of those one of them comes with 3 free carlines and i beleive the other doesnt

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Ok, I ordered it but it's not scheduled for delivery until next Friday May 13 th. I will contact you after receiving it. Thanks!
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

Okay please do and if for some reason i dont catch you on here call me and we will tallk on here. Its our busy season. Thanks

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Hi Reggie, I finally got the launch scan tool to help diagnose the AC problem. I registered the device and downloaded the appropriate Kia Optima software. Call me or reply to let me know what I should do next.(###) ###-#### *****! Dan
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Reggie, I'm still waiting for your reply. Dan
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

be right wit you you got those codes.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
C1611(CAN timeout EMS)
Intake potentiometer 6.27%Was I supposed to do this test with the engine running/AC on?
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

Good morning I am reviewing your information now, i apologize i recently got custody of my 12 year old daughter and have had alot to do getting her settled. Give me a few minutes be right back

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

That code C1611 what module was it stored in? And did you do a reset and clearing of all codes. With your scanner do the quick test it will give you the option to clear codes clear them and after go out to your battery disconnect both cables and clamp them together, while there clamped together cycle your key through all position if you have push button push the button and hold it for a few seconds, then go back out to battery unclamp the cables from each other make sure that you have rubbed them and they have made good contact now seperate and hook the positive up first.

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

And then after that start car and turn ac on if it is not cooling send me a pic of all data in the module it could be called climate control, or HVAC . What we want to see is the temperature inside, outside, evap temp the request for compressor compressor status all of it.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Reggie, we are in a heat wave out here in California. I drive 1 hr each way to work, so I need to get my AC working. Please help asap. Thanks! Dan
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

sir been on lake i got you today we do something thank for patience

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Reggie, did you view the 3 attachments I sent yesterday? Was this helpful, in terms of helping you with your diagnosis?
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

Is that all the data in the module

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

It looks like your evap temp sensor is alot higher than normal, im going to get a location on that so you can go to it and test it

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
that was all the data in the AC module
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

How about codes any codes reset

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

Okay i have checked the information we want is split up some of it is in the engine control module, access it and look for compressor data you will see if it is requested and if it has been commanded on..

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I sent codes in previous message. There didn't seem to be any major codes indicating an AC problem but you should go through them. I reset all the codes per your advice.
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

yes sir i just wondered if they had reset okay looking at your data i beleive your problem is going to be the evap temp sensor

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Customer Concern:The Air Conditioning (A/C) does not work. There are no codes. If we jump the relay, the compressor comes on and it cools. The blower works on all speeds.

Average Reported Mileage:91382

Tests/Procedures:1. Use a scan tool to check the A/C commands in the Engine Control Module (ECM) with the engine running, the blower motor on and the A/C switch on.

2. If it shows the A/C switch on, the A/C off and the relay off, test the evaporator temperature sensor.

3. Disconnect the control head. Backprobe and check the evaporator temperature sensor resistance. The specification is 27.6 kilo ohms at 32°F, 18.07 kilo ohms at 50°, 12.11 kilo ohms at 68°, 8.3 kilo ohms at 86°, and 5.8 kilo ohms at 104°F. If the evaporator temperature sensor is out of specification, it has likely failed.

4. Check connection at the sensor as well.

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Air Conditioner (A/C) Evaporator Temperature Sensor

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1 - Replaced Air Conditioning (A/C) Compressor

1 - Replaced Air Conditioner (A/C) Evaporator Temperature Sensor

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1Charlie Alred
July 31, 20152012 Kia Optima, EX 2.4L, L4, Gas, Asp N, VIN 7, MFI, Theta II - PZEV, USA *
Air Conditioner (A/C) Evaporator Temperature Sensor
91,382 milesReplaced Air Conditioner (A/C) Evaporator Temperature Sensor

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January 12, 20162013 Kia Optima, Sxl 2.0L, L4, Gas, Asp T, VIN 6, USA *
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- replaced a/c compressor

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Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

here is you a test procedure for that complete with location, but its not that much to just purchase there are alot of them replaced

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Are you saying I need to replace the compressor and evap temp sensor? Do I need to do any further diagnostics?
Kia Mechanic: Reggie Whiddon, Auto Mechanic replied 1 year ago

no just the evap temp sensor

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Ok, I will buy one and try it. I will get back to you after I have replaced this part.
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Is this a part I can buy at an autoparts store?
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Where is this sensor located? I cannot find it. Can you send a picture? Thanks Reggie
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