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How much do you charge for your expertise in 2005 Kia Sorento that the starter engages in the on position and will not cut off.
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I have tried replacing the ignition switch and the starter. The starter has ignition power going to it when the switch is in the run position.
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Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago
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Is this Automatic or Manual Transmission?
You need to do some Testing
Do you have a Test Light or Volt Meter & know how to use?
IF so, you need to Test the YELLOW / BLACK wire at the Starter Relay
Is there Voltage + on the YELLOW / BLACK wire with the Key in ON position......Not Crank position
Let me know what you find

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I have a test light and I know how to use it
Where is the starter relay?
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Automatic or Manual Transmission?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
sorry automatic
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

thanks for the good pictures.........
This will likely be the Ignition Switch or the ECM
You posted that the Ignition Switch was replaced
That leaves the ECM
Unplug the Ignition Switch & test again to rule out the Ignition Switch
Here is Schematic
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I have power on the red, green and blue wires. the switch is unplugged.
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

There should only be Voltage + on the BLUE wire at the Relay
Ground on the BLACK wire at the Relay
Voltage + on the YELLOW / BLACK wire at the Relay "only" when Key is turned to Crank
Then Voltage + on the RED wire that goes to the Starter
It sounds like you have Voltage on the YELLOW / BLACK wire of the Relay coming in from another source, IF the Ignition Switch is unplugged & the Starter runs
Make sure the Connections at the Starter Motor is not touching
Make sure there is NO Aftermarket or additional wiring at the Ignition Switch wires (remote start, radio, amp, etc)

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Attached is the wires on the back of my relay. Testing from the bottom of the relay, ALL 3 wires have power.
As you can see, I do not have a black wire on the starter relay, or a yellow / black wire on the relayThe starter does not run with the ignition switch unpluggedNo voltage ont eh red wire going to the starter with switch unpluggedNothing is touchingNo aftermarket wiring
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

???
You show a picture of the underside with "3" Connecting wires
WHITE
BLUE
GREEN
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Your other picture of the Relay Base shows "4" Connecting Pins
Are you on the correct underside Base?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
That is the base from the 4 connector pins- directly under the starter relay that I removed. That is why I was so confused as well.
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Do you need a different picture of underside of the relays?
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

While this may be under the Relay, the Relay Base Pins, are likely inside
I believe the Fuse / Relay Panel has to be split apart to get to the Relay Base..........
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IF you no longer have Voltage + to one of the PINs or the Starter does not run, because the Ignition Switch is disconnected, then the Ignition Switch looks to be the problem
Be sure we are referring to the "Ignition Switch" & not the Ignition Key Cylinder

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Ok- I tried to split the relay base but I am not comfortable doing that-Ok- I have replaced the ignition switch not the cylinder and it did not change my problem
So with that being said, what wires going to the back of the ignition switch should be hot with it unplugged?
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Constant 12 volts = GREEN AND BLUE
Ignition 12 volts = YELLOW
Ignition 2 = ORANGE
Accessory = WHITE
Starter = RED
IF the RED wire has Voltage + "unplugged", with Relay OUT, then there is an issue in the wiring elsewhere

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
With the switch unplugged and the relay is OUT , the red wire does have power
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

You have a issue with that wire........
That is the Voltage + wire from the Ignition Switch to the Relay
When Ignition Switch is turned to Crank, that wire get 12 Volts + & nothing in Run position or off
Can be the Internal Circuits of the Fuse / Relay Panel, another wire connected to it, or a shorted Connector from the Ignition Switch Harness to the Relay

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Can I make a temporary jumper wire from the red wire on the switch to the red starter relay wire?
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Is the ECM still a possibility and if so could I get one at the junk yard and replace it- is it plug and play?
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Unplug the ECM & see if the Ignition Switch still shows Voltage + on the RED wire

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Is the ECM located on the drivers side left of the steering column under the dash
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

ECM is located Passenger side under dash

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I can't find it under the dash on the passenger side
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
The red wire still has power
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
it is unplugged from the switch , relay is out and ecm is unplugged
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
actually the TCM is what I had unplugged- I still can not locate the ECM
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

TCM is for Transmission
ECM is in the Passenger side location

You have a short somewhere......
Did you check connections at starter?
Have you traced the Ignition Harness to the Relay Box?
The only things it can be is short, Fuse / Relay Panel shorted, or another wire is added to that starter wire
IF you want to use a Outboard Relay:
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SPDT Relay (Single Pole Double Throw)
Use a 30 / 40 amp Automotive Relay
Pins are numbered on relay pins
PIN 87 = Fused 12 Volts Constant (20 amp)
PIN 30 = RED wire to Starter Solenoid
PIN 85 = Ignition Switch Starter wire +
PIN 86 = Ground -

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
ok - I did find the ECM and unplugged it- the red wire still has power.
I did check connections at starter-nothing crossed over there
I have not traced the ignition harness to relayI am beat by this thing tonight-
After I try all the this- can I get back to you tomorrow?
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

not a problem........

let me know what you find..........

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
thanks. How do I get you back tomorrow?
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

sorry......dinner time........

just post back here & I will answer as soon as I see it

thanks

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Ok- Here is a recap of what I have done and need help-I have ruled out the ECM, Starter and Ignition switch
I also switched the fuse/relay block with a comparable one so that is ruled outIt appears that my Relay pin 87- and 30 have swapped places
I have no power on Pin 87 and constant power on Pin 30What is my next step?
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
ok, I am now having intermittent issue. When I turn the key to on position, sometimes it will engage the starter and sometimes it will not. Then I will start the Kia and the starter continues to engage (wanting to continue start) and I will pull the starter relay and the starter runs like it is supposed to. Then if I try to put the relay back it will engage the starter again and it will continue to engage- however, sometimes if I wait a minute or so- and put the starter relay back in , it is fine and runs like it is suppose to.
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
How can I determine if it is the ECM
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

at this point........."IF you have unplugged the ECM"........this is not the issue
I would replace the Relay first & see if that does it.
IF Not, then you need to check the Fues / RElay Box for short internal
OR
Go with a Outboard Relay as I posted

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Ok, if I put an outboard Relay- I need to know colors on the wires and numbers on relay
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
The ECM is out and ignition switch is unplugged. The red wire has power at the plug that goes to the ignition switch
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

as posted above:
SPDT Relay (Single Pole Double Throw)
Use a 30 / 40 amp Automotive Relay
Pins are numbered on relay pins
PIN 87 = Fused 12 Volts Constant (20 amp)
PIN 30 = RED wire to Starter Solenoid
PIN 85 = Ignition Switch Starter wire +
PIN 86 = Ground -

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Most Car Stereo Shops will have a 30 / 40 amp SPDT Automotive Relay
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You can wire the Relay at the Ignition Switch harness
Plug the Ignition Switch Plug back in
Cut the RED wire (starter wire) in half at the Ignition Switch
Test the cut RED wire for Voltage + on the cut wire that goes to the Ignition Switch, when you turn the Key to CRANK
Does it have Voltage +??
Does it have Voltage + when Key is in ON only position

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
See my answers to your questions below:Test the cut RED wire for Voltage + on the cut wire that goes to the Ignition Switch, when you turn the Key to CRANK
Does it have Voltage +?? YES
Does it have Voltage + when Key is in ON only position-- NO
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Thanks.........
Wire the SPDT Relay at the Ignition Switch, like this:
Constant 12 volts = GREEN or BLUE = PIN 87
Cut RED wire that goes to Ignition Switch = PIN 85
Ground - = PIN 86
12 - 14 Gauge wire = PIN 30
Run the 12 - 14 Gauge wire out to the RED wire that goes to the Starter Solenoid
Cut the RED wire & splice the 12 - 14 Gauge wire to the cut side that goes to the Starter
Insulate (tape) any cut wires at the Ignition Switch & Starter

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
NOw it cranks but will not start
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
after doing the above
Kia Mechanic: Don - Mo Lurch, Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Be sure everything is plugged back in
ECM, RELAY, Ignition Switch

Test the YELLOW & ORANGE wires of the Ignition Switch with key in CRANK position
Does either one lose Voltage +?
This is ONLY the Starter Circuit & has NO affect on engine running...............

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