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I have a Goodman GPH1330H21A. I just bought a Honeywell

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I have a Goodman GPH1330H21A. I just bought a Honeywell thermostat model RTH 6250D. The control wires are Red, yellow, white, brown, orange and green that were in the original thermostat. there are also a blue and black wire arent connected at all. Im not sure which wires go to which terminals and the instructions with the thermostats arent much help.
Submitted: 11 months ago.
Category: HVAC
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Did you take a picture or remember where wires were on old thermostat?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I did. Now heres the thing. When I wired the last thermostat it never did both heat and air. It would only do one or the other and to get it to do whatever I needed I had to swap one of the wires and Ill be darned if I remember which
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

OK let me ask you this.Are you able to open the packaged unit and get me a good picture of the thermostat wires showing where they connect on control board in unit?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
You mean the side cover on the unit outside
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

That is correct.If I can see which wire is connected where this will be a breeze

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Give me a few and Ill get it
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Excellent.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Okay, have the pictures. Not sure where and how to upload them though
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
oh found it.
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

If you have a paper clip icon on your page you can attach using that link.Or

You can upload the pictures using the tiny pic site .

Here is a link to the site.

http://tinypic.com/

Click on Browse , select the file from your folder.then click UPLOAD NOW.

They will give you a quote to enter in the box to verify you are a human.Enter the quote and click UPLOAD NOW

You will see your picture on right side of screen.

Then copy the link URL for email & IM

Paste that link here on the site.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
hmm...found the "add files" toggle and its showing one of the six I thought I sent
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
oh...its taking its sweet time
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

I need the one showing thermostat wires

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
at the unit itself? I think its the next one
there are sort of three places where they go in
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I think Ive sent all three where the connections are at the unit. The wires where they are spliced together and heading off to the various panels and the panels themselves
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Getting close. Locate the brown control wire with the red, orange, green yellyw etc coming from thermostat.Should be connected with wire nuts

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I may have skipped that one...I did get a picture of it though
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

LOL Still not seeing the brown cable with all the small thermostat wires

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Yeah, of course thats the one I didnt import. On the way
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
pretty vague...I can go back out, fan them out and clean them a little if that wont work
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

That is the one. Now if you can separate them so I can clearly see what goes to each wirenut. WE are almost there

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
got it
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
it looks like the blue wire does do something
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Beautiful! Give me a few minutes to type

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Is it me or do the green and blue wires splice to greyish wires, very close to the white wires color, that look exactly the same?
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
this is how I have the wires at the thermostat at present
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

OK here is what you have

From factory Brown,White,Gray,Orange,Yellow, Red and faded Blue

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
The blue wire is above and not connected at all. As the honeywell people told me its not used becuase its a power wire for the thermostat and its a battery powered stat
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Here is how they will connect at thermostat

Thermostat-------------------------------------------------------Outdoor

R with jumper to RC---------RED----------------------Red (THis is 24 v power)

O/B----------------------------Orange--------------Orange (This signals reversing valve)

Y--------------------------------Yellow----------Yellow (This signals contactors in outdoor unit)

Aux------------------------------White-----------White (This controls heating elements)

E--------------------------------Brown--------------Brown (Also Heat elements )

G-------------------------------Green ---------------Green (This controls indoor blower)

Blue from unit will be unused (Tape OFF)

Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Below is you a drawing I used oink to make white show up

Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Pink not oink (lol)

Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

And the green is tying to the gray wire rather than Green.Goodman used a gray instead of green

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Im still unsure but I will go do that now and see if it makes sense in practical application
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Take a pic once you have wires connected and send it to me

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
There is no e terminal. There is an L all the way to the left. That is where I put the brown wire...Ill get a picture
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Hmm...looking at your diagram again. Aux says Aux/E. Let me recheck all of them
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Since your AUX and E are combined move the brown over and connect it with White.

If you can not get it in slot, just tape it off and go to unit and wirenut the brown and white from unit together with white

Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

The brown and white are used to energize the heat strips.One for auxillary heat to work alongside the heat pump and the other for stand alone emergency heat.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
i think itll fit its like 24 gauge. It did...and we just plugged it up and reenergized the unit. crossing my fingers. Wait, Im a pastor, I should be praying...geez
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Hang on a second

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Fans on...well give it a second to see if its throwing warm air...so far just ambient temp
I cranked it to 80.
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

WE are not quiet ready to start it yet.

you need to enter setup menu so we can match the thermostat to your system

Press UP arrow and FAN until screen changes.You will see Function one left side of screen)

Use the UP arrow to change Function 1 to 5

Then press NEXT to go to function 2 select 0

Then NEXT and set the following:

3=1

5=9

6=9

8 = 9

Any other functions are at your discretion.

If any functions listed do not show available, this means thermostat has setup based on a previous selection..Let me know if you need help doing this.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I never got five or 9
1 is at 5
2 is at 0
it then jumps to 6 which is at 9then it goes to 13 and 14 which are at 0
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

If any functions listed do not show available, this means thermostat has setup based on a previous selection

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
take it off...pull the batteries and start again?
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Now lets check it out. Keep in mind we may have a 5 minute delay at the beginning of each cycle. If unit does not start immediately wait on HEAT or COOL to stop flashing (App 5 minutes0

You don't have to remove batteries or anything

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
it still only offers me 1,2,6,13 and 14
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

That is fine as long as you have 1 set to 5 for heat pump and 2 set to 0 for reversing valve

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
1 to 5 and 2 to 0
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Yes sir

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
okay...going to done and see what happens....heat on is flashing
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
now its stopped
67 in the house...stat set to 76
just heard the blower outside kick onI think
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
hmm...feels ambient air being moved
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
with it set to 84...says auxiliary heat on
three have felt it and all said it doesnt feel like heat.
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Was it working before you started?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
when Id first hooked it up...one time...I felt the heat for sure...smelled the dust burning as it was the first time the heat had come on in abt 6 months
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Was everything working with old thermostat?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
okay...trying again...gonna get over my impatience and wait the 5 minutes
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Ni it really never worked with the older honeywell. There was one wire that I had to switch back and forth if I wanted heat or A/c. I think the white one
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I do have a picture of it yesterday before I got the new stat
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

It is wired correctly. If we are set to 5 and 0, it should be working.If not we have am issue in unit.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Hmmm...let me upload how it was working with A/c only. Tennessee you dont much use heat till now
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

OK

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
this is how it was with the older honeywell with I believe the white wire to the a/c relay
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
not the clearest picture. Im sorry but the wire was switched back in March and I dont remember quite what wires were swapped to make it work
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

R, G and Y are all that come into play in COOL mode and they are all the same.

See if ac works now

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
the unit is running and the both the blower and condenser fans are on but not getting heat perse
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I think theres a trip breaker at the unit too...let me make sure my wife turned on everything
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Hmmm...nothing...again, the conser fan came on. The air fan is on... even setting the stat to EM heat...no hot air
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

TRY AC and see if compressor is coming on

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Does it matter which sequence the two breakers for the unit are turned on. When I reset them...there was rattling clunking sound for a second before I turned the second one on. There is a 60 amp and a 30 breaker for the unit
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
let me recycle the whole mess again and double check the control settings at 1 and 2. Is there a way to clear the stats setting altogether and reset it...there was a time earlier today when it was definitely blowing heat
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
LOL....blowing heat whether it was set to heat or cool
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Houston, we have a control issue. set the stat to off a few minutes ago...its still blowing.
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
That was 5 minutes ago. switched off the unit. Pulled the stat and its batteries. Going to try powering up again after I double check the 1,2,5,6 and 8 settings on the stat
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Sorry I am having internet issues

Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Do this. at thermostat remove all wires and see if unit goes off

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I had already shut it off at the stat a minute ago...this time after about a minute...it all shut down
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
both blowers etc
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

OK remove rand a Y and touch tem together and lets go see if just compressor is coming on

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Im going to wait for reply before I do anything else...breakers are on to the unit...stat is set to off....and there are no blowers running
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Okay...Ill pull the stat. the red and yellow wires together
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Just compressor should come on

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
okay...let me get my wife involved...Ill have her touch the wires together
Ill let you know the results
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

OK

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
did that. when she made contact the condenser fan cam on. think the compressor did too
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Need to know for sure.Feel of large line from comp and see if it gets cold.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
okay...brb
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

OK

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
did that...let it run for about a minute while I was pulling the screws holding the condenser fan in place. felt the lines after she undid the wires again and the fan stopped. No way to get in there with it actually running. the lines were the same temp. Not cold. ambient
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
seems unlikely the compressor went out though...its been fine till this morning.
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

I don't think we are getting is compressor.I think thermostat is good like we have it.

Do you by chance have an amp meter to clamp around a compressor wire?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
no...have a volt ohm meter
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

That copper line should be almost icing after one minute with no indoor fan running

Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Can you get to the knucles on either coil to feel of them?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Not sure what youre refrring to by knuckles
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Im a car guy....make my living that way...so if you can put it in those terms...maybe
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

The copper knuckles on coils.

Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

This header and knuckles should turn frosty cold with compressor on and no blower (R and Y together)

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
okay...ran it for a full 60 seconds...about 30 seconds in heard what sounded like it cycling...the knuckles were colder but not frosted or what Id call icy. Low refrigerant?
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Very possible. Now add O to the mix *R,Y and O) and see if they get hot Same knuckles

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
will do...now we are talking about each of the loops at the side of the condenser, correct?
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

That is actually the evaporator so to speak,the condenser is the large one that wraps around, but yes

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
okay...let me see what happens
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Take your time

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
knuckles got warmer...some. Large line at the compresser got colder to the point of sweating...smaller line much warmer...clunk at 30 seconds in
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I had her shut it down after the clunk
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

OK lets reconnect the wires to thermostat now and do same thing we just did .Call for cool and see if they start getting cold, then heat and see if the start getting warm

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
on it
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Standing by

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
definitely cooling...cold air at vents...big line cold as heck...sweating profusely
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
witing for the blower to go off and switch to heat then
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Now let me know when you check heat

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I have it on...the blowers came on...both of them...so far no warm air though...only about 2 minutes in
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Give a few minutes also feel of those knuckles and see if they are warming

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Im wondering about that brown and white wire combo and the settings numbers not what youd expected
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Raise thermostat at least 10 degree above room

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I will do that...
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Once I have I have to shut things down to get to the knuckles though...that fan would do some hand damage for sure
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

You cant reach through side panel?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I kicked it to 15 above room temp...aux heat flashing on the thermostat. gonna let it run a couple then check the knuckles
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
yeah let me see if I can get that one off easily
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

I am telling you wiring we did is right.I am a Goodman Dealer. Here is the factory diagram

Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Common should be blue in picture but not used with your thermostat

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
should have pulled those side panels off ages ago. The evaporater or whatever the big wrap around with all the fins is caked. Know how to clean that any
way
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
be back in a minute
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

I am about to have to leave for the evening.Would you like to continue tomorrow ?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Okay. fins all around clean now. small line from the compressor hot as all get out. The knuckles however are not...still no warm air at the vents
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
still thinking we have control issues.
Once upon a time, that blue wire was hooked to something. what I dont recall as that was two thermostats ago. The original did not have battery power is about all I can of it
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Dont know if youre gone now or not
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Guess youre gone. Ill follow up tomorrow
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
As a side note...wasnt questioning you...was questioning if the installers had wired it correctly.
Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Sorry I had to leave abruptly last night.I feel you have issues within the unit.Unless someone changed factory wiring in unit I do not think it is a problem.

Thermostat should be correctly wired and configured. Next I recommend we get a set of gauges so we can see what is going on.

Expert:  airheatman replied 11 months ago.

Let me know if you can get the gauges.Hoses will be a different size than the automotive ones.