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My Rheem Classic Super Quiet 80 is giving me problems. The contactor (outdoor relay) is clicking on and off rapidly. The air conditioning seems to work during high demand. The problem seems to happen when the temerature inside the house gets close to the set temperature or when the air is on for a while. When it is in the clicking mode, it clicks even when the outdoor fuses are pulled and no power to the outdoor unit.
The ari conditioning tech changed the control board, the wifi thermostat to a manual one, and now the contactor. The problem is still there.
Submitted: 3 years ago.Category: HVAC
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HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
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What is the voltage value at the contactor when this occurs?
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
The AS tech said the voltages are normal, but he used an AC meter rather than an o-scope to see any spikes. This was the reason he decided to change the Control Board.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Serviz Tech
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
is there a water safety switch on a drain or pan in series with the low voltage
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Outside or inside the house? The tech is not here now, but I could check but I need a hint of where to look
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
the issue is strictly in the 24v circuit. from the time it leaves terminal R in thermostat to the time it gets to contactor.
If you find circuit board in furnace and the terminal R with a red thermostst wire...then follow that red wire...does it go straight to thermostat or to a switch in a drain pipe or pump?
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
yes it goes to the switch in the PVC like you say and then up into the attic...somewhere
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
That water switch in the drain is a very common cause of the chattering.
If the drain is slow it pulses the switch..
Do you mind a test?
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
I'm ready
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
Now first...how often is the unit chattering?...if we do a test will we know fairly soon or is this just an occasional thing?
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Ill check right now
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
standing by
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
i put it back together and started it . it takes a few minutes. is the test bypassing the switch?
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
correct....usually this happens when the unit has run a long cycle....the condensate is running more and a slow drain throttles the switch...you can also take a shop vacuum to the drain and purge the line.
Bypassing it generally tells us pretty quick
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
How do I use the vacuum? suck out the water from the overflow?
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
sorry, I'm unfamiliar
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
it is still clicking
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
it was off for about 1/2 hour so the drain must be really slow or the switch is bad
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
thank you nest is in the outdoor unit...the 2 wires go outside and attach to 2 wires at outdoor unit...then one of those 2 wires goes through low pressure, high pressure and maybe a delay board...what is make model of outdoor unit?
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
ill go look
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
ok
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
I PULLED THE FUSES AND IT IS STILL CLICKING
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
I forgot the brand name, something King
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
wow you got everything...inside the outdoor unit...where the 2 wires attach,,,one is yellow and one is brown...do you see these?
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
yes they are on the outside of the contactor
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
correct....but before they go to contactor...the yellow makes some first.
your brown and yellow.....where they wire nut to the wires from house...do you see that junction point?
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
on each side of the contactor
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
correct....but before they go to contactor...the yellow makes some stops first.
your brown and yellow.....where they wire nut to the wires from house...do you see that junction point?
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
the wire from the house are insulated and goes into a grommet hole, not sure which panel i need to take off to see where they go. The yellow and brown come from a different hole
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
correct...it is the yellow and brown we are talking about...if you can post pics I can direct you quickly
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
i found the right angle bracket to take off. they are tied directly to the yell and brown, the wire nuts seem ok.
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
what we want to do is remove the wire nut from the yellow.....and take the wire from the house and hold it directly to the terminal the yellow is on at the contactor,
This will bypass 2 pressure controls and a delay timer.
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
ok
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
this will deduce quickly which way the issue is
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
i'm waiting for the clicking problem. It sure looks like the red wire is going directly to the yelloiw. Same for the brown. All I'm doimng is makeing the yellow wire shorter, there are no other connections to bypass. Maybe I don't understand.
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
your wires go direct to contactor?....not through any switches before the contactor?
The diagram shows a couple pressure switches and a time delay relay and then contactor
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
There are other wires (besides the heavy gauge wire) on the contactor coming from the outdoor unit.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
at least four wires on a push on terminal that goes to the contactor bottom
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
you see there is 220v (which you have turned off)...the 24 comes from thermostat and closes the contactor...this allows 24v to cross.
That is why it chatters even when power off outside is because that 24v comes from indoors.
If the unit still chatters with the bypass direct to contactor then you your last culprit is transformer in the furnace that generates the 24v.
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
i'll check the 24VAC when it starts to dhatter, its not doing it now. I think the transformer is mounted above the control board.
All i have is a VOM, but he tarnsformer can't be too expensive.
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
transformer is very affordable.
That will be the last item that can cause this...If you need anything else just return to this thread
Billy
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Thanks, ***** ***** i understand the system now. We think its an electrical problem and I can work that out. Thanks again.
HVAC Technician: BillyHvac, Journeyman HVAC Tech replied 3 years ago
you are very welcome.
just rate service and I will move from active list
Billy
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