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Shower floor drain repair
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12/30/2017
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago
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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
Hello - I have some water marks on my 1st floor ceiling. There are several drains in that area but it appears to be directly below my shower drain. I will take some pictures to illustrate
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Don't need pics of water stain

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Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Fiberglass shower stall?

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
it is a fiberglass pan but tiled wall
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Ok, you're going to have to replace the drain fitting which means cutting a hole in the ceiling in most cases.

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
not sure if you can see but it doesn't appear to be a drain piece - the PVC runs up to the top of the surface of the pan and then a bunch of silicone and some kind of black plastic ring to keep things in place
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

You have a drain fitting no matter what you think it looks like

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
does that drain look compromised? Like I said in that area we have two full bathrooms so lots of possible sources
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

The silicone caulk is very suspicious. Only way to know for sure is to cut the ceiling open which you'd have to do anyway to fix it

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
how large of a hole needs to be cut?
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Big enough to see into to start. If the ceiling is wet the sheetrock has to go anyway

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
i know you stated that the i had to have a drain fitting but a couple of notes: I can see where the pvc was cut on the top surface of the pan - and I can feel all of the way down to the trap and it is all one piece....
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

I've been doing this for 40+ years. I think I know what I'm talking about. There is no way the PVC connects to the shower base without a drain fitting

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
ok no offense, just wanted to be sure
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

You need to expose the underside of the stall

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
the entire stall? or just the area near the fitting?
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Near the fitting to start so we can see what we're dealing with

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Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Ok, you have to back off the big lock nut at the underside of the shower base or carefully cut it off. Probably also have to cut the pipe too so you have room to work and to get it out. Once out you should use a drain fitting like this one.

https://www.plumbingsupply.com/showerdrains.html#jackrabbit

You might be able to get one (or similar) at a local plumbing supply house if you don't want to wait for mail order. Rubber gasket goes under the stall with plumbers putty under the flange inside the stall when you put it back.

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
ok, is there anything i need to do from the upper side on the second floor?
Customer reply replied 1 month ago
also, any tools or tips to get that big nut loose? it is super tight and no way to get leverage above head
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Not if you cut the pipe below. Once the nut is off the whole thing (fitting and pipe) should pull out from above. Assuming the installer used putty like he should have. You may need to use a Dremel to cut it off. Take care to not cut into the base of the stall

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Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

No bolts just the lock nut

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
still unable to get the nut off. but i did notice something, the subfloor itself is not stained at all. and above the trap it seems dry but the trap itself is very wet. any chance it could be the trap that is faulty and not the drain. should also note that when as i was trying to figure out what was going on i cleaned the drain and found a bunch of fairly large pieces of tile in the trap that have been in there for maybe 15 years since the previous owner remodeled that room.
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

None of the pipe above the trap is wet?!

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
ok i just dried it out and turned water back on, there is a leak above, just all pooling on the top of the trap, tiny bead coming from the the drain piece.
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

So you still need to replace what we've been discussing. I've explained in great detail what needs to be done. I'd appreciate a favorable rating. This thread won't go away and I'll answer related follow up questions even after you rate me favorably

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
ok so i think i need to cut off that nut like you explained. I am not sure what you mean by "Take care to not cut into the base of the stall". is the base of the stall even accessible from the floor below?
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Yes, that nut makes up to the underside of the shower floor/base

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Customer reply replied 1 month ago
ok so i am confused, not sure where/what to cut...
Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

You cut into the nut to break it free. Just be careful to not go too deep. Once you cut through it it will turn. If you cut it most of the way you can insert a screwdriver into the cut and twist/pry it to break it the rest of the way

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Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Yes and a bit higher too, into the flat part above the hex.

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Home Improvement Expert: Rick, General Contractor replied 1 month ago

Yes that's the cut line. Yes once the nut is off the drain fitting, pipe and all will pull out from above

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