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GMC Envoy SLT: My 2002 GMC Envoy wont shift to drive and the

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My 2002 GMC Envoy wont shift to drive and the key is stuck in the ignition after you turn the key off i have replaced the Electronic ignition relay and that didnt do anything what else could it be.
Submitted: 5 years ago.
Category: GMC
Expert:  Gm Tech (Cam) replied 5 years ago.

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Hello, I'm Cam. Please include all the details about your issue so I can accurately advise you. I cannot see your vehicle so please be detailed.

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Is the transmission fully in park?

Customer:

i have pushe the shhifter all the way up and the console says its in park

Gm Tech (Cam) :

OK, did it feel normal when you shifted to park?

Customer:

yes nothing felt odd and the transmission when put in drive is sluggish to start out its almost like its not there.

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Is the check engine light on?

Customer:

yes it is i did ask you guys what the problem was before and thats why i changed out the electronic relay.

Gm Tech (Cam) :

what codes are set?

Gm Tech (Cam) :

This could be the ignition switch itself,

Customer:

what do you mean by codes how do i found out codes

Gm Tech (Cam) :

this is done with a scan tool and most parts stores will scan for free.

Customer:

there is that little button on the colunm that releases the key i use that to get the key out and i do have a scan tool but i plugged it in and it doesnt turn on to read any codes

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Check the CIGAR fuse for the scan tool not powering up.

Customer:

the button of course is under the cover of the steering colunm

Customer:

ok

Gm Tech (Cam) :

yes, it is the manual release.

Customer:

but the ignition switch isnt going to screw up the gearing in the transmission is it

Customer:

the ignition switch isnt going to screw up the shifting though is it

Gm Tech (Cam) :

yes!!

Gm Tech (Cam) :

these operate on a ground signal.

Customer:

sorry computer screwed up

Gm Tech (Cam) :

THe ignition sends power to the transmission directly then the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) provides the ground to operate the valve. It is a VERY common issue on these vehicles, bad contacts in the ignition switch

Customer:

so not the relay like i was told before

Customer:

its the switch itself

Gm Tech (Cam) :

that is one very likely issue, yes.

Customer:

ok well the cigar lighter doesnt work so i will find the fuse and replace it so i can get codes

Gm Tech (Cam) :

ok

Customer:

it will tell me if the ignition switch is out

Customer:

the codes i mean

Gm Tech (Cam) :

If you get codes like P0753, P0758, P1810 , then yes it is the switch

Customer:

i have to run to he store for a new mini fuse

Gm Tech (Cam) :

ok

Customer:

i have codes P0758,P0740,P0753,P1860

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Those are the codes.

Customer:

so does this mean that i have all these problems

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Simple test, take the lower trim off the steering column, use a wire to jump the red to the white wire, both thick in the switch and see what happens

Customer:

with the cat on or off

Customer:

car

Gm Tech (Cam) :

on ,

Customer:

one minute

Gm Tech (Cam) :

and see what happens, see how it drives.

Customer:

do i clear the codes

Customer:

first

Customer:

ok

Gm Tech (Cam) :

no, it does not matter. When power is back it will shift .

Customer:

before i drive the service light is still on is that ok

Gm Tech (Cam) :

yes, that is fine.

Customer:

ok

Gm Tech (Cam) :

.

Customer:

ok it seems to drive normally i couldnt really get up to 55 but it seemed to shift

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Replace the ignition switch then to correct this.

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Does the key come out of the column now?

Customer:

ok is it pretty hard to do or should i have a certified mechanic do it

Customer:

no the key does not

Gm Tech (Cam) :

It is not bad.

Gm Tech (Cam) :

As for the key, that is liekly the wiring into the side of the shifter under the console. It breaks from the movement of the shifter.

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Why these happened at the same time is hard to say.

Customer:

but could i have the timing off in the ignition with the relay i switched out

Gm Tech (Cam) :

what relay?

Gm Tech (Cam) :

If you slide the switch out then you could have changed the timing.

Customer:

the electronic relay that goes into the ignition

Gm Tech (Cam) :

In the column?

Customer:

but would that not let the key out

Customer:

yes in the column

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Do you have a part number?

Customer:

of the relay

Gm Tech (Cam) :

yes, pelase.

Gm Tech (Cam) :

please.

Customer:

2139 2037

Customer:

or 04 1591 00

Customer:

12450251

Customer: NNN-NN-NNNNsorry
Gm Tech (Cam) :

So the igntion switch itself, not a relay.

Customer:

yes i mean not the part the key goes into

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Strange then that you have those codes now and it does not shift. Sounds like a faulty switch. Timing could be an issue, but then does it crank properly in start position?

Gm Tech (Cam) :

That is the cylinder,

Customer:

yes but it doesnt have like three turns like normal i mean one turn elcet turns (acc) then it turn the ignition

Customer:

when you turn it off it doesnt go any further

Customer:

it dor\es snap back after turning the key on

Gm Tech (Cam) :

Ok, use THIS DOCUMENT to remove and install the switch timed correctly.

Customer:

ok

Gm Tech (Cam) :

.

Customer:

ok thank you

Gm Tech (Cam) :

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Customer:

Would putting this in my favorites do the same as bookmarking it? (this is his wife)

Gm Tech (Cam) :

yes, that is exactly it

Customer:

Great! thank you. He is out installing the piece now

Gm Tech (Cam) :

ok

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