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I am so proud of you! GOOD that your mom gets it. Now if your sister would also "get it"...
I would humbly suggest that when you txted your guy you possibly said something that can be taken two different ways. Missing the voice inflection...sometimes things are just not interpreted quite as we mean them to be. Besides that, you ARE sweet. But you might want to review the message you sent and see for yourself :-)
In this pullback that I sensed coming from him since your trip, I have also gotten that he has also always stayed feeling optimistic and hopeful, just somewhat unsure of his footing. He had almost completely convinced himself that you were going to return from your trip having made the decision that you didn't want to see him anymore. He is still not sure that you are not arriving at that conclusion, and so this pullback is his lack of confidence, his own wall of emotional insecurity that from time to time pops up and requires reassurance.
It's not that he doesn't care for you or will even ever NOT care for you. That is why this uncertainty on his part is so difficult to pin down and explain.
It is understandable that you are sort of confused. You both are equally confused and sending each other "mixed signals" just now. Some face time conversation when you are feeling well and not harried by other things would be the best thing to resolve this. Clear speaking and clarity of intention, even if it is one. day. at. a. time. is the best remedy.
And of course, in your favor, everything that could possibly be interpreted as negative is also colored with the rosy tint of the approaching holidays. Conversely, the holidays often also bring their own special variety of stress.
Everyone is trying so hard, and maybe too hard to meet everybody else's expectations! It is no different with him. To some extent with yourself. Although you seem to have a firmer grasp on what is realistic and know when to do your own pulling back when it all gets to be too much.
I'm curious as to what your impression was of the attorney? How did that make you feel?
Continuing to speak clearly, truth in love, nothing hasty. You are doing just fine. And I continue to you send you healing and supportive energy.
Sorry, typos.
Can't correct those in chat. Sorry I missed seeing you online, but you know I will respond to you as soon as I see your notification. Have a really good day.
relief i had realized yesterday that i was giving all my control cause i was ignoring and not willing to face what was at hand. all of it and waiting till was too late. I guess i had hopes and still do that someone would come for me like i have done for so long for so many. haha news flash not happening and it hurts. Sadly he felt bad wishing he was in a better state to help me. yeah i finally explained a mildly dark family secret he didnt know that much about. i told him thank you for the offer and now he knew a family issue thats eating at me. i meant alot that he offered and not to worry he has a great deal coming on his plate even when hes down about it i did have faith in what was coming for him even when he has none. then he says he felt bad not being able to help "i wish i cld do more to help u are alwas helping me or doing something for me even when i dont ask for anything" exact quote.
i said" i do cause of what u meand to me. i enjoy helping and caring for u u make me very happy even if you cant tell sometimes.. u do" this is what i got the ur so sweet to me comment..
You seem surprised that he thinks that was sweet?
That IS sweet.
I think it's sweet.
andthe attorney well i have to sell house to file for bk to file for divorce. ughhh sounds like forever. but i woke up clear if that is the game plan i have to take then so be it. no to rush and fix it all.. looks like its gonna be a long year and my dreams will have to be on hold till then. but im alrighht its for me the right thing to do. makes sense now
You have a good healthy grasp on the entire "knight in shining armor" myth. Sometimes we have to be self rescuing princesses.
i guess but since that was all there was.. hahah its me so there ya go
i know just been that my whole life it seems from my view i have been groomed to be such for my family. thhats whhat my gut tells me just wish sometimes there was that for me
That is very painful. I feel that coming from you all the way over here. I want to encourage you not to be discouraged. All that you are saying feels so dark when you are in the midst of it. I do know this. I honestly KNOW this. But it is not as bad as it looks from where you are currently sitting.
Are you paying the expenses for the house by yourself and no help from the ex at all?
and yet i do believe you. i do think it's more
There's so much more for you.
You have too many things all at once here. I would like to take one thing at a time if that is ok with you. Please don't cry ok?
oh no he pays the house and gives for the kids this is for a house that she pays but to bail out my sister she gives her that money and i dont have to pay that house. so i get lost and avoid been hoarding paper like crazy ignoring all guess i woke up yesterday is the best way i can put it. i finally said that outloud
was just about to. haha funny
Oh. So the house you are trying to "save" is not the house you are living in.
i know theres more you say there is so belief thats its coming i do have self doubt in myself heck yes most times have to retrain thoughts to get out of there
yeah i think i have that fixed this morning a clear path made sense to me
Ok. I understand.
Yes you have self doubt. New guy has self doubt the same as or equal to yours.
so gonns mak that work out
oh
in himself yes i see it.
sometimes more than I.
hes not like me where i can still hold put hope and believe it will work out
Yes, so you will want to respond to him in the same way that you like to be responded to. That will help even all of that uncertain energy out so you can deal with it.
hes the well i wont believe it till it happens kind of guy
Bingo.
guess i wasnt doing that
It helps when you understand it. :-)
Getting to the understanding is more than half the battle.
it drives me nuts sometimes when he gets like that. i think all works out the way its supposed to not how we want or will it to be
The attorney was not for your divorce then? That was "mom" stuff?
so hes more of a perfectionist than i so it gets him when i does not go as planned and i can get him to let it go
was for both
if i do this then what happens with this stuff
I don't understand why you should have to file bankruptcy because of a house that is not yours. Or was the attorney saying that MOM has to file bankruptcy?
either way next year is all legal like you said several weeks ago would be for me. ha how funny isthat
house is my name. i will take full hit if house is lost .
Yes, but this legal stuff, every bit of it... is a cloud with a silver lining.
no worries i got all now to make sense for me
ooooooooooh.
:)
Wow.
Question.
what?
Is the house worth more or less than the mortgage amount?
more
Yuck.
not by much trust me your head will ache
Oh ok.
trust me i woke up with a game plan
Are you going to walk away from it?
to not be totally screwed with this. not not yet not in the plan just yet
Selling it then?
funny someone told me back in May that i would be selling a home i told her i had no plans to. then like a week or more later the option had to be done.
You are a smart cookie.
yes been for sale on market no takers. in WA state remote beach property. shes a gem pardon the pun.
:-)
my favorite place in the world i have a connection to it truly so it killed me to want to believe this person but like you she was right on a few fronts
You can't even rent it out?
that is not an option for the mother
Or offer a lease with option?
im a wus compared to my mother and sister.
i posed that option she said no to it
She doesn't live there!
no shes here with me. house is saldly empty
It's in your name.
benn since 78
And you are letting her make the decisions?
I hope you are seeing the flaw in that.
was left in mine and sister name but understanding its her house
so yes i have to
Until somebody makes bad decisions and then the smart one needs to take the reins and get it done correctly. That would be you.
but she made mistake letting someone on the house to take a loan which i said was a mistake but to them i do not know much.
ha yup so now im taking all the risk
She let a third party take a second on the house?
she tells me know that on many fronts i was right after the fact and should have been listened to but hey what does that get me now.. nothing really
no house was free and clear...
then helped out nephew which i didnt trust but she did it anyways
O. My.
told ya head will ache
yup
And that is the mortgage you are paying.
Or having to file bk against.
Or sell to resolve.
For the nephew.
no i took a loan to get him off house was doing somthing funky.
Ok.
That's better.
but i didnt see end of marriage loss of job popping up so now here i am
Right.
she pays the most and i add to the payment but with sister in dire straits it all goes to her. shes a bit of a basket case right now
You love that house. There is no option for you to live in it I suppose.
no too far to work at all. very retirerment based
Seems like the perfect mode to put distance between yourself and the ex if you could pull it off without causing yourself hardship.
i lived there for 6 mos worked for the bank rough driving 40 mins every day with bad weather so forth, nothing for me at that age to do out there it much more vacation home
no way possible
Ok.
i can handle the ex i know his games
I know.
But it is just never ending.
quite transparent just alittle while longer
i know
just have to play for a bit more
Transparent. It is that indeed. Oh you are getting it. I am so proud of you. You have no idea.
like i told my son last night im tired that everyone has been able to move on mother sister ex and im here still in limbo cause of them. i dont deserve that and im tired of it
so time to play
:-) Don't go doubting yourself now.
i let them put me here. and i cant be their saviors anymore it cost me too much
no this i know in my heart
I knew that trip was going to be good for you. Look out world. Mama is home.
You got it nailed. You really do. That's awesome.
guess delayed reaction hahahah
hey!!!!! this all came to me inthe shower yesterday- thus my water
or great lakes
???
Delayed is better than never. You just needed some space to clear the head.
Stream. And... lake, yes.
Great river? Or stream? Yes.
for me my clarity must all revolve around water. i get it now.
must ahve been a fish in a past life or something
It is interesting that you mention that. Yes, ritual baths, for cleansing of the toxic energy... showers... all very good for you.
A mermaid :-)
hahaha yeah since im so fearfull of open waters and a weak swimmer
You can recover from that if you want to, but I think you have enough else to think about for the time being.
Another time you can devote to that.
another time.
ok so stud muffin. was he hoping in a good way that i was coming back to say goodbye?
Just be patient and tolerant with new guy and his insecurities.
i im reading that right
Not in a good way, no. He was sad about that possibility and he has been feeling somewhat inadequate.
he really thought i was saying goodby to him
it did cross my mind
but i dont think i give and gave him a truly fair shot.
so i came back to do that
His sense of inadequacy is what makes him pull back because he thinks... well... sort of that if he can't be everything to you then he should be nothing sometimes. But he doesn't always feel that way either. He fluctuates in this.
And it is NEVER because he doesn't care for you.
ok
Sometimes he feels selfish. Sometimes he thinks you are selfish.
i know you say hes hooked
yes we both can be we are leos
Yeah you both like to take center stage.
You have to be able to compromise on that.
the other night i told him im sorry for sometimes being flighty. and did acknow i did that was funny
That fire can be both passionate and destructive. You have to wield it with skill.
i do give in i get that and feel it and give him more the light i get mine when i really need it
hehe
:-)
I hope he sees it as well as you do.
Men are often not quite as "in touch" with that side of things.
cant tell but i think sometimes with things i tell him or remind him that he cant always be that way and that there is another person in this relationship me that he cant forget at time
Oh but he will forget. Again and again.
i do say that it cant always be about him and does say sorry and tries to catch it
hes aguy they all do that
Not all. Most. :-)
true
You sound better.
yes
I was afraid you were going to cry. Sometimes that is necessary and it is ok, but not necessarily when you need to think.
he his fear is that i will still come to the conclusion
no im good no tears right now
Oh always. Yes. He is starting to relax now. He will probably go all insecure again after the holidays though.
i never used to cry over anything only 2 things made me cry
He's going to do something that he thinks will disappoint you and even if you are ok with it and totally understanding he is going to make himself feel like a jerk.
he will be with family they are coming in this week. i thought we were not going to see much of him cause of their visit
ahh perhap new years???
Could be.
boyt did that come up quick
So if you are really OK with what he needs to do, just be prepared that he is going to need a lot of reassurance.
was the only thing that came to mind we spoke about it.
And even then he probably won't be convinced that you mean it.
You know how that goes.
we talked of laying low. i said why not go bowling he said last week he didnt know since his fam here not sure i they were going to do something so i said oh ok. just let me know.
but i will continue with that plan with the kids and if he joins then great. i seemed ok with it was just sad not to share that with him. but i didnt feel like there wasnt going to be another new years with him so it seemed fine
Yes and on your planet and mine, that would be perfectly understandable. On his... he's thinking oh man...she is crushed already.
He is trying to figure out how to make up for it.
Not sure he can.
Oh. Because he is conditioned to think that most women are passive aggressive and usually mean something other than what they actually say.
yeah a bit but he has never met the last 2 kids ( his sister is coming with her 3 kids) hes never met them so i thought he needed to spend as much time with them as he could. who knows when he will again
and hes already sweating the money issue
i seem to be at peace with that
makes sence
sense
Right. And he should spend time with her kids. And that is great.
He's sweating YOUR money issue?
With the house?
i work for movie studio and got a mega load of movies and gifts to help take a bit of the finace load off him.
no his ow
Oh I see.
oh hell maybe now mine to ughh i should have told him
Right, when you tell him about your problems in the interest of honesty, he has the natural inclination to want to FIX things for you and make them all better and it adds to his insecurity that he can't.
And sometimes he thinks that you want him to fix things when in fact you are only offering information.
iYES
And you might alleviate some of his insecurity if you made sure that you are only offering information and do not expect him to remedy the situation.
I mean make sure to tell him that sometimes.
but i tell him that since i value his opinion he can see what i might not see
omg i do say that
That is good that you tell him you are looking for his opinion. That is great. Very helpful.
we are equals in that aspect i dont have to explain much of what i say he gets it and vise versa.
he says he enjoys our conversations more than hes ever had with any of his friends
I think he still sort of feels that kind of pressure though. Oh and then there is this. lol. Unbelievable. He also seems to think you NEVER need him to fix anything and feels unneeded. lol. Sorry. I shouldn't laugh.
You see why I have trouble explaining his insecurity to you sometimes.
yes it true someone here has told me that before then even he said it to me
It changes.
It's like a see saw.
i se lol
So we saw. :-) He doesn't want to make any mistakes.
He doesn't want to blow it. He often thinks he can't quite cut it.
ive told him that not possible mistakes will happen. and that even if i dont need him to fix things i need him for what or how he makes me feel. I like who i am and he has helped me bring out that stronger me and keep her there. i do tell him how he is needed
hahha wow and i thought we as women had the harder role in love
hehehe
When you finally get divorced he is going to be absolutely terrified and thrilled at the same time.
oh great
already have the theme for a party i must have and even th location. bahahahaha i kid you not
Oh yeah. There is some measure of security there that you are not entirely "available". It's also a barrier when he wants to be closer. He both hates it and takes comfort in the fact that you are not divorced yet.
A divorced party?
did anything i said last nite help with making him more relaxed as you put it.
yes
i felt for all the mean abusive crap he put me throught i needed to break away in a not so quiet manner
Oh it helps, yes. Until he starts thinking too much again and talking himself down again....and then you will have to say something like that again, but that is ok too.
lol about the party. No don't go quietly lol.
i that equally shared the terrified and elation when that happens. or more to onw dside?
No not more to one side or the other, not yet anyway. We can look at that when the time gets closer, but you know he is going to need constant reassurance that he is just ok just the way he is and he doesn't need to be perfect or a miracle worker. Sometimes just sharing the burden emotionally is all that is needed. And that in itself is some form of perfection.
i tell him that. just being here to listen is all that i need and means more to me than he knows. told him that the other day
well middle works for me.. ok to keep it just there for now. so much to tend to now anyways.
well next week is really creeping in so far all is quiet on the ex front. glad to keep it there to
The neat thing about this relationship is that even if you don't stay together as a couple you will always have a special bond. This is a karma buddy for life. And that isn't half bad. If you go long term with him, bells and rings, that is nice too, but it won't even be necessary for the two of you.
i dont need the bells and rings.
Neither does he. But he thinks you do.
So when you get ready to cross that bridge, keep that in mind. He will need more reassurance lol.
funny the one who told me that i would be selling the home had him pegged told me in time he would change his mind to that and want to and with me. so well see.
indeed
how much clearer do i need to be!!!!! ive told him dozens of time im not looking for that been there saw behind the curtain dont need to again. just want a nice long term that would be nice
I am just not looking that far ahead at him. You have too many potential bumpers to hit between now and then. We need to keep you on the happy path from here to there.
hes drunk way too much koolaid and bought into that
indeed thanks for the real in
:-)
I'm not saying he won't change his mind. Right here and now and this week and next week and we still need to keep an eye on the ex... that is more important just now.
yup..
he still has not said anything to me or the kids about him taking time off next week.
He's up to something. Too quiet. Oh. He is waiting for something to happen? Or someone? Oh. That person he thought he might be hoping to spend holidays with. He is waiting.
He is hopeful and waiting.
do yu see them now?
Little too smug thinking everything is just going to go his way.
yes he does
you have no idea
I still do not see her. No. I don't see her at all. I see her as through him, and then not at all. I kind of think someone is toying with him as he toys with others and this is going to enrage him when he finds out.
perhaps the former mistress the cause of this all? she toyed with him and never meant to leave the husband when he left out home.
he has begun speaking with her again. i told him shes playing him but he kept on i still think its her husband who watching him
I'm sorry. I honestly just don't see her. I don't see WHO. Can you please excuse me for just a moment? I will only be a moment.
kept on back then, i dont talk to him about that stuff again. she played him got money and a steelement from the business the stopped speaking to him and said for him to leave her alone. he was devastated.
Sorry for the interruption.
You think it is her. I kind of don't think it is her, but I can't see for sure.
no not sure who
Skinny redhead maybe but this, too, is vague for me. That could be anybody or nobody.
That could be his imagination I am reading.
is that gonna backfire then
When he finds out he is being played. Yes.
his beard as he gets older gives out grey and red hairs
The intentions of the person he thinks are not at all what he thinks.
if its that shpe it could sound like her
I do not see enough about her to speculate. So I won't.
works for me
Just keep your eyes open. It's not going to play out pretty for him.
so it shows more so that this is not going to be good if you still cant see that next step
Ok. What I see is that this might not even actually be a woman. It might be a man pretending to be woman as in on the internet, and someone he has not even met, which is actually quite possibly why I also cannot see "her".
He is going to get taken in a big bad way.
By taken I mean duped.
Make sense? I can't see her because she doesn't actually exist. That is more and more strongly what I have been feeling.
yeah he lives on ebay
oooh.
That odd stuff I had in the reading the other day. Arcane technology. You said dark magic. Does he buy that stuff on eBay?
Maybe that has something to do with it.
I get the feeling that he is almost giddy like a little kid in anticipation of this... whatever it is...
So you understand the impact it is going to have when the pendulum swings the other way.
no he buys alot of vintage bike parts and things for the cars
Wouldn't vintage bike parts be arcane technology? Maybe?
no please share with the class
Oh he's going to go ballistic.
woohooo lucky me
how does the bike parts fall into arcane tech?
But people don't usually meet people on eBay do they?
Vintage.
You said vintage, right?
no not on ebay.
and yes to vintage pre war he likes spokes pedal likes to build bikes came from his childhood
Oh I am thinking archaic lol.
ah ok
Arcane is more like... mysterious.
yes a dark deep world far from reality.
oh wait it could apply to him as well
Like eBay. ROFL. Just kidding.
lol
Well he is so SET on this happening it is like the floor is going to drop out from under him when it doesn't.
You should be so lucky.
It's something incredibly significant to him.
this is not good for me?
WAIT!!!
Well not if you happen to be in the path of his wrath when it doesn't work out for him.
he gave me this months payment for the kids.
So you need to be prepared to sidestep that when it comes your general direction.
He will probably try to take it out on you even though you have nothing to do with it.
in sealed envelope he always writes my full name name of the kids bottom left side my name inthe middle post stamps the date and his name top left corner. i didnt pay attention to it its the norm. but today when o put it in my bag to tack to work i saw something on the back
You certainly want to try to avoid being around him then. And I saw and still see this around the 20th or a little after.. maybe the 21st or so...
Oh! What does it say?
it was a prayer from Oscar A romero well know religious figure in his home land el salvador
Take it out of your house.
Your purse I mean.
message to the town salvadorean. better values to be free in the truth than to be free by lies. only one way or leader in christ
its in spanish thats sort of how it would read in english.
that was new to these envelopes
huh.
Don't take the envelope home with you.
thats what it says
Throw it away on the way home. And not in your office. Somewhere else. Not the payment :-) Just the envelope.
or it has more worth to be free in truth than to be free in the lie
Yeah that's nice. Get rid of it.
K?
done but why now whats with that writing
Don't throw it away in your work place. Somewhere else.
It depends on the intention of the delivery. It could be nothing. But it could be something. You are not accepting any strange things from him.
wait can you get a feel for what i just read!!!! i just opened the
Yeah it sounds like a prayer. And it sounds like a threat.
And it sounds like just a nice sentiment.
Get rid of it.
no just read note inside
crap speaks of death
If it is remotely threatening take it to the police.
Don't call him and don't text him.
Don't.
no to him is hes dead what to do with business so forth
He wants you to engage. Don't.
since im working full time he does not have to pay. and thatif he ends up on life support turn off machine donate organs his 50% of business goes to boys and he hired a person to take place in company if that happnes.
ok.....
Odd. But ok.
Don't call him and don't text him.
Not about this.
I guess you should probably keep it but not at home.
How can you keep it without taking it home with you? Do you have a safe deposit box?
You ok?
Well if you think he is suicidal you should still show the police. Or someone. But I don't see that he is. I do believe that he is messing with you in another cruel plot he has concocted and wants you to engage. Keep it. But don't take it home with you.
no think its a game
If it is a last will and testament you will need to keep the original if you want to honor his wishes. So make a copy for whomever else you want to show it to. But don't take it home with you.
attention looking for me to engage since i have not spoken to him
omg hes lost it how mean
That is my sense of it, too.
It would be irresponsible of me to NOT tell you to notify someone if you believe he is suicidal.
So I have said it.
Yeah that is mean.
Are you ok?
yes
Ok.
Don't let him rattle you.
it just frustrated me how a sick man he is now
i knowwhat he wrote is false but still it hurts
I know. Chin up. Just ignore him. At least for the moment. If you DO mention anything to him about it ever, just be cheerful tell him how thoughtful and courteous it was for him to plan ahead. :-)
ok
how can i if hes looking to hurt me in the near future
If you were to show law enforcement... it would not work out quite as he intended it to.
Maybe ignore is the wrong word. Just don't be the one to initiate anything.
Don't instigate, don't call, don't text, don't respond to HIM.
I do think you should show someone though. What about your son's counselor? Do you trust her?
i will tell her tonight
Good plan.
In fact I think that is the best plan.
Let a professional psychologist interpret it.
Tell her all of your concerns surrounding it as well. Including the safety of the child.
And your own, naturally!
If you are ok, I am going to go make some supper. If you want to continue, feel free to do so and I will check back shortly.
thank you
is this a family thing or friends thing wen you first wrote this i should have asked before i gave detailed information???
He's going to do something that he thinks will disappoint you and even if you are ok with it and totally understanding he is going to make himself feel like a jerk.
Oh the new guy. Family I saw. But there are going to be friends, too. I think some old friends. I saw old friends coming into the picture a while back. For you, too.
But he thinks it is going to upset you. But it shouldn't. But he will have a guilt trip.
In I think I remember I asked you if you were expecting someone and you said no.
The old friends are good people for you both to have around right now if they show up.
The thing that is going to make him feel like such a jerk is that it is going to take up more than one day of his time, and there may be a period of three days when you don't hear from him and then he is going to think he has hurt your feelings and he is sincerely XXXXX XXXXX to do that.
As with many things, most of the drama about it will be in his imagination. Let me know if you need anything else!
i was here just reading and re reading the conversation.
Oh I see, ok.
he does have friends from out of town they might pop in it has happended. is it for the holiday festivities if end of year yeah that would suck and hurt
hey why the fear of me meeting them? i know they know of me so he says and some friends i have met and they know im still here. what is that about?
Well if that is the case, then you should let him know you are open to something more than bowling. :-)
then that is the case?
I don't know that he is afraid of you meeting them. I think he gets the idea you don't want to.
when he goes out with the friends i dont go he says hes is embarassed taking me to them cause of them that they are not my cup o tea
not smart and educated so i wouldnt get along with them. and his family its the same
ive told him id like to. wld like to see that part of his world but he wont say anything about it.
lol! I see. So you are too refined and genteel to mingle with the commoners? ;-)
i guess. im sure thats the bs he needs to say to not hurt me??
i have no idea
It's there in this... that thing that he is afraid to tell you about. That same thing... that he thinks is SUCH a big deal, but never was.
thats not even me. i dont have a hard time getting along with anyone
???? huh
That secret he has.
fearful they will tell me a story and that that will come out?
That secret he has had all along. The one he is afraid will render him totally unworthy in your eyes.
That actually might very well be IT.
I mean the sort of people they are might be IT.
THEY might be the secret.
That actually makes sense.
he says they are immature stupid and when the chips were down they all went away and i was only one still there when hee need help
Not that you don't know OF them, but the sort of crazy things they do when they are all together...
It could also be in some sense of protectiveness of you. On his part, I mean.
but he doesnt hang with that crowd now hes lost a taste for them if that makes sense
I understand. But they still come around.
But actually, I was seeing GOOD old friends.
Not a negative influence.
So maybe it is not them.
yeah and some in the crowd im not crazy of their line of work but thats not for me to saying something about
But they could very well be the secret he is keeping that I keep seeing.
its that strong
He thinks it is a very big deal. It isn't. But he thinks it is.
but protect me from what
was it a line of work hes done?
Oh maybe they will try to take advantage of you or something. It doesn't seem like something sinister. I see something very annoying though.
I think you would be aggravated by them eventually.
advantage of me?
Some what... asking you for things.
yeah he said that was a possibility
You need more people asking you for stuff.
yeah right
the more the merrier
Maybe I should ask you for something too just so there is good measure.
:-)
i might have some movies still if you want some
No thank you lol.
Anyway, I don't think those friends are the friends I am seeing in this.
anytime
But I see friends. But GOOD friends. Maybe his sister is bringing some?
Or ... oh more likely... they might go somewhere to see someone together. His sister and he and the kids. Someone they have not seen in ages.
Southwest. He was supposed to take a trip... I saw that a couple of weeks ago. You didn't mention it, so I don't know if he went already.
most likely
no he didnt
no money and cant really travel right now due to some issues coming to an end soon :)
If the opportunity comes for him to take a trip southwest in direction, he should go.
he has family in that area so perhaps a drive for them to go see them. i can see that
That is more similar to what I see as well.
for xmas or nyrs
I saw New Years. Actually three days gone for him. I'm not positive if before or after.
i am happy for him it seems like he wants more family stuff. but they just come through. they all forgot his birthday this year
Aw!
Poor guy.
so if seems hes always hoping for something or somewhat of a family close thing but nevers seems to be there
yup he made plans to go out with friends to celebrate on a saturday when i had my high school reunion
Well anyway, there is no insecurity to be had in this, and please don't be upset if you don't hear from him for a couple of days at that time. And he will come back with his tail between his legs thinking he has done some horrible hurtful thing. You know to expect this.
well all his friends flaked and asked to do something with me i said i had that so he wanted to come along to that. my friends like him so i got a cake and candles and killer gifts from a friend at another studio which made his alltime fav movie and
sand him happy birthday he was brimming with joy and shock my friends went along and sang to him was nice
:-) That is so sweet.
then i gave him the gifts i so scored on that one i dont have to give another gift for a while.. lol
I am glad he appreciated it too.
lol!
Good to meet the gift quota early.
Had you spoken yet to your son's counselor about the note?
tonite i see her 8 my time
Ah ok.
How is the little man?
Is he holding up ok?
hes good opening up like crazy now
doing well
I sense he is more comfortable and getting back into more of that which is normal for him.
totally
Ah good!
Glad to hear it.
all he talks about is how many more days till out of school
I was worried about him before you went on your trip.
hahaha!
13 what can i say
He wants OUT lol.
big tiem
time
Good. Well I hope you enjoy that time too.
Quality time with him.
what about the family? and why no intro i can see why not the mother
indeed they are closing the lot for almost 2 weeks so i will be off lots to go and see and do cant wait
Same thing. There is something going on there that he thinks is beneath you. Makes him feel unworthy. Not that it is, but he feels that way.
He is protecting you, NOT ashamed of you.
Ooh. Yeah in a much bigger way, actually.
do they give him flack about it cause i know they know about me they ask he says but wont say what he says to them
So don't push that direction. You have enough stress in your life.
like yeah they ask wher im going i tell them with you and they are like of her still or oh youve seening for a time
yeah now it makes sense wont go there
haha
never thought i was too good for a group... what did i do
There's something not quite right with that whole scene right there. Not in a bad way for you. But he is dealing with more than you want to deal with.
No you don't act like you are too good for them.
It's not a snobbish kind of beneath you thing he is feeling.
It is a he doesn't want you to get your shoes in that muck kind of thing.
he gave me the feeling that his mother is requesting much more of his time and making it known loudly
It's not you acting too good. It's that you ARE too good.
Yeah lol. She always has. She is quite the dominatrix.
Anyway, you are better off without in this case.
You can meet her sometime. It will happen. And that will be 30 minutes of your life that you can't get back. :-) Sorry. Is truth.
that bad? she'll hate me im too old for him
hehehehehe
too good for him
She doesn't hate you. She hates everybody.
that wld be sad ifthat was the case
yes i know
ive heard that
She won't even see you for you.
how so
Because she just really doesn't see "people" in general except as an inconvenience even IF they are doing something for her. It is inconvenient to her that she has to endure the suffering of sharing the planet with the species.
wow you are good
thats her in a nut shell as told by him
Thank you. XXXXX see things more clearly than other times, and that is something I have seen clearly from the get go.
does he even feel bad for not seeing me during that time?
or not a big deal
I think in the beginning I couldn't get a reading for you in edgewise without her overshadowing EVERY thing.
The little trip he wants to take?
Oh yes. But he needs to go.
Like you needed to go.
He needs this.
funny today the ex went to a vendor for a luncheon and
oh in know he does
does it help any with his view of us?
Your sweet patience and understanding of him when he goes and returns feeling so bad for hurting your feelings is going to just make him feel better about you and the two of you.
The ex went to lunch and?
ok now the ex. so the lunch goes on and co workers of his and the hospital are there. someone makes the comment how interesting that there is an empty seat next to him. the one of the workers sits by him and they are chatting flirting up a storm. later on in the day back @ office he is speaking to her and asks about her husband then later tells her that he will be in the area and canstop by. not good not doog
ew.
and they were like with her how interesting that she sat there.
i dont know where this guy came from really!!!
She is not the one.
That is not the someone for the holiday he is wanting to be with.
That is not the thing he is so giddy with anticipation about.
Something wicked. Wicked and stupid.
Sorry. I mean that.
oh not just saying hes messing with so many who knows just a bag game to play
Yeah. I know.
ok so now he is only going out of office wed- fri the 19th -21st
oh joy
It almost doesn't matter except for the fact that YOU have to watch for the consequences of this thing not working out for him.
Hey out of the office? Really? Going away maybe?
Going far enough away that if he implodes that you won't get the fallout? Maybe? We could be so lucky?
dont know like i said he has not said a word to any of us
Oh yuck.
The dates are spot on for it.
thats not the case is it
or it does not come clearly just yet
What do you mean? Him going away?
I get more that he is waiting for someone and something.
yes and the whole plans just yet
ahhh
I don't see him going away but that doesn't mean he won't or couldn't. But I see him waiting.
Out of the office is just me wishful thinking. Sometimes I like to be wrong.
oh hey the things he wrote on the paper i was told he said to one of his family members just today on the phone... creepy
He is setting you up for something.
I wish YOU could take another trip.
Away. With the kids.
If you just aren't there it will all blow over without you.
Your sweet patience and understanding of him when he goes and returns feeling so bad for hurting your feelings is going to just make him feel better about you and the two of you. nothing deeper you can feel or report?
thak you!!!!! ive got that gut feeling to
like hes gonna try something and blame me for it
hes tried before to imply i had something to do with whatever he was claiming
Deeper? This is deep lol. If he would stop feeling insecure about stuff you two wouldn't have any problems with just the two of you.
You both have issues to work though, but you can do that.
You don't really have issues WITH each other, but surrounding each other...
The relationship by itself, if we put it in a glass jar and vacuum seal it to examine is wonderful to behold. Very mature actually. It's refreshing.
This other gunk going on around you all the time makes that hard to see sometimes. His insecurities are like a little bit of dust that get on it and you have to blow that off periodically. Well yours too. :-)
Otherwise, you two are fine.
heheheh why thank you.
ok can i throw out a name of someone who it might be for the ex?
nope never mind forgot she needs to be married. ahhh anyway no more sorry.
i should be safe if my biggest concern and that of thekis
kids
Ok. I had seen something that started with an E, but I can't remember it now. Do you remember it?
I am pretty sure I told you.
you wrote eldrith once
Eldritch? Yeah I think.
yeah thats it
Nothing yet showing up like that in real life though, huh?
Ooooh I just had a though. There was a dark glass. Like a mirror. What if that is Rich Elder? Or maybe even not a name. But a rich elder. Does that make sense?
no
thinking but no
Well fiddlesticks.
Ok.
Eldritch it is then. In any way shape or form.
hehehe
And a dark glass. Like a mirror or a very dirty window... smokey kind of. It's not a pretty one either.
hmmmm
I still see some crazy far off trip that he WANTS to take for this, like overseas even. Not that he can or will, but he sure does want to. Like an Indiana Jones adventure thing. It's weird.
It's an obsession.
he has plans of heading to brazil for the world cup thats an obsession for sure
He wants to see this thing. Do this thing. And he reminds me of someone I can't think who...just crazy silly GIDDY with anticipation of the thing he is waiting for.
well thats brasil for sure but not this time of year
not yet
Well yeah, but that doesn't explain the 20th and 21st if it isn't the same thing. Unless that is when he finds out he can't do it.
There's something more to it than that. I haven't figured out all the puzzle pieces yet. I'm sorry.
Either way. None of it is going to work out for him.
no worries thats in 2014 and next summer is the federation cup
How far in advance would he need to make or miss reservations?
well id say now for the federation cup its in june but the big one not for another year
so some time
hm.
Does he know that?
have no idea
i was always the researcher and planner and kept track of that stuff
I wonder if he thinks he is getting some deal for that now from somebody? You mentioned eBay. hm.
If that were the case. That would fit the timeline.
He could think he was buying some trip package and find out around that time that he got taken.
perhaps nothin on ebay yet just qualifying sames going on now
I mean I'm sorry. Not specifically eBay, necessarily, but someone or something like that. A blind seller.
oh no i kow wht you mean no worries
just helives on ebay
but i cld make sense
But I don't think the game is it. Game doesn't feel right.
its been a dream of his for a while
you did say some sort of passion dark
I am somehow not sure that is strong enough of a thing for him to send him over the edge like I see him going when this doesn't work out for him.
ok backto new guy.. hehehehe well then
itsgot to be a woman
Yeah. Obsessive passion but not an event more like a THING.
seems to be his passion right now
If a woman is an object to him, then yes. But I do not see HER. This thing is an illusion anyway. It's not real. That is why he is going to have such a fit.
so new guy i know i asked if deep i just read it to not mean that much like oh ok.. so for him that will be deepfor us? or what is felt
should be fun...
Aw he loves you. He is just afraid to admit it. He is afraid that if he says it he will jinx it.
And somewhat in his strange insecurities he thinks if he says it suddenly he won't feel it.
And so he doesn't want to say it. And there is some superstition there, something else he is afraid of... like so much he has loved in his life he has lost sort of thing, so if he doesn't say he loves you, he will never lose you.
oh my what a crazy bird i have found or should say found me. he was the hunter in this one.. hehehe gotta run get ready for appt..
haha. Ok. Well you take care.
lol
thank you for oh so much...
You are quite welcome.
thanks for the words yesterday. appt was interesting me me delve into why it got to me so. used an item called a MDR that opened a can of worms and took me way back to a moment i seemed to have put away in my sub.. anyway that part still not done but wow how do i feel today. relaxed just relaxed so. however when we ended the ex still keeps calling me and this morning as well. and i have no qwams not answering. ha go fig. but just want to make sure he is not going in a bad way with me towads the ignoring portion. dont want to help the anger along . makes sense
Well I am glad you are feeling better and relaxed. That is very good. The Magician (reversed) is a good omen for you for improved health and spiritual well being if you are willing to try new approaches. He wants you to explore the question "What are you afraid of?" The answer is: Resistance to change. Fear of failure. And asking for help when you need it. Your emotional well being is directly tied to your physical health, so you need to release negative emotions in order to get relief from any physical ailments.
Focus is the keyword for you, and you need to get some. :-) It is possible you could injure yourself while you are playing because of not paying attention, and being overwhelmed with tasks and to do lists, you will get overwhelmed if you do not focus on One. Thing. At. A. Time.
true. suppose to go workout tonight with the new guy but feeling egh.
You could rest.
Meditate, perhaps.
as of last nite i was open to trying this new approach and now dealing with things that didnt know were there
very interesting
funny im kind of miffed with him so i dont feel like seeing him
miffed. Whatever for?
why?
Why what?
well few weeks ago i submitted a photo for a contest. friends tell me my photos are great so what the heck too a shot.
well last nite got word that they chose my photo to be in the annual book edition
Great! Congratulations!
That has to be a nice feeling.
i was stoked and told him that the photo was accepted and it was like quiet crickets just asked me which one and then that was it. i know he fell asleep fig that was it but even this morning his greeting was eghh
oh man i was shocked!!!!
Aw.
didnt think they would. It an old photo one I took when back home in puerto rico of a small fort at the entrance to the island . i called it press on
:-)
Sounds lovely. :-)
and well they are going to publish it and im entered for the grand prize for the entries
:-)
they said it was cause of the light and composition and depth
it was pretty neat.
:-)
No. That is VERY neat.
Congratulations.
I am flabbergasted that your reading hasn't changed a bit.
it just tool me back to when i got accepted to design school and i showed him my letter all he could say was oh and how much was that going to cost. ouch
what!!
oh man
him in the last case was the ex
sorry forgot to write that
Well that wasn't all bad, you know. Some was with the ex still presenting himself as the Knight of Swords reversed. Untrustworthy. Thief. Wanting to try to set you up for the blame for something.
I knew that, though. That is what I was looking for.
my gut tells me hes looking to get hurt and blame me for it thats what we spoke about last nite
hes lost ann sens of current reality
all sense of current reality
Yeah, I am trying to see if I can see WHAT. and WHEN. Just a moment, ok?
im at work with some time on my hands so im creating a vision board( really a notebook) trying to get focused again. not easy
ok
I know it isn't easy. I have tried that.
Anyway, this reading is so much the same ... still the same time frame, still the same indications of him just simply losing it altogether. It shows up like a tornado, that kind of chaotic crazy for him. Still the 21st-ish of December.
They are telling me to tell you not to stress over the financial stuff, though.
The whole thing with the mortgage and all that.
Everything is going to work out to your favor in the long run.
i sent out a payment dble one just today. im feeling ok right now some doubts yeah but somewhat ok
They are asking me to tell you not to do anything irresponsible though and to remind you that the lottery is not an investment plan lol.
am im still in his path
Just stay away from him. You have to avoid him.
hahaha i get them every once in a while
Just don't be near him.
didnt think i had that type of luck
well not true ive had crazy luck in the past with winning things
Try to not have the kids around him during that time period. I know it might take some creativity because of the holidays, but try.
well hard one will be working and the baby home on vacation but im still working next week i have the next 2 weeks off after that
They are still telling me to tell you to take a another trip, too.
why?
alone
A mini vacation. 4 days. Not necessarily alone. You can't take the kids somewhere? I think this is related to the ex going nuts.
i can try not sure
Try. If you can.
well he still has not asked me anythign about xmas and if he wants them
Good.
kids have toldme they want to go with him they want to spend all the holidays this year with me
they dont want to with him sorry
he waits till last min so when we say we are busy he can play the victim roll of see they dont want me
Try to look for something semi local that isn't going to break your budget, but just someplace where he won't be looking for you.
so im not surprised
what time frame?
since 21st if a friday
18th to the 21st or 19th to the 22nd.
You will probably want to be home on Christmas morning anyway, right?
no not really we are not the traditional type
dont think those dates i can.
I understand.
maybe a hotel that friday after work
Do what you can. Go see lights. It doesn't have to be expensive. Quality time is best anyway.
Keep your eyes open though. All the time. This need to focus is something you really need to heed.
indeed is it more clear or hazy sitll?
Thinking of one thing while you are trying to do something else... not good.
what hes following me agian
again
The thing he is waiting on you mean?
man my fingers are moving too fast
lol.
what do you mean
No not necessarily that he is following you. Just that you get distracted and might have an accident yourself. We don't want that to happen.
man whatever she did with that maching cleared space in my head, not used to the silence. throwing me off
ahh
This is like stubbing your toe or ... that kind of thing...just watch what you are doing. Be in the moment.
This is a constant for you, by the way.
This shows up in all of your readings.
Focus.
hehehe yes ilive with bruises
What did she say about the note?
Did you show it to her?
seems im quite the clumsy one.
she saw the errors and lack of accuracy
For me it is forgetting where I JUST put my keys.
and was more concerned with how much it got to me and to search for the fear behind that
that it is a ploy for engagement so forth
That is why I kept telling you not to call him and don't text him.
Ok well you did the responsible thing and reported it. Now you can let it go.
If she felt intervention was necessary, it is her professional obligation to act on that appropriately. If she did not, then, you need to let it go and ignore it.
oh i dont speak to him unless he is in front of me and i have to. and that is minimum time i keep
That's good. Keep it that way.
Everything is so constant here. I don't very often see readings that almost don't change at all. To the positive side, new guy is actually looking more trustworthy and kind and caring lol.
Even if you are miffed at him.
well it didnt or doesnt feel like it right now
lol
I know, but he does care for you. He is a little overwhelmed with some of his own stuff right now.
Also I am just wondering if you asked him how his day went?
that would be tonite and no i have not time i try and i get im super busy cant talk right now
ughh not tried i meant
That question would be meaningful if you get the chance.
i know hes stressing trying to close deals to get him some money when family arrives he can participate
done. I even said i was sorry for being selfish and not asking if all was well in his world..
which i didi mena
mean
Ok well that is all I have for him, really. He's still in your corner.
He's a very nice guy. You are a lucky woman to have him in your life.
Insecurities and all lol.
wuite the looker to, still shockes me he wanted to search me out
he said it all started with a dream he had of me
Well that is interesting.
so many were crushing on him and hes was like egh ok
lol.
i told him he could get any girl younger pretty
but here we are
somtimes id fear if a mother complex
does that sound bad
Except that you are nothing like his mother.
yeah well i got that now but not at beginning
She is quite a piece of work that one lol.
Maybe you could arrange to introduce her to your ex. They seem suited to each other.
hehe
I'm so bad. I'm sorry.
did i tell you the the number 13 runs through us?
No, actually.
his mother and i are 13 yrs apart he and i are 13 and he and my son are 13yrs apart
whats with that?
here is the new challenge lol
He who? Your ex?
Or new guy?
new guy
his mother and me me and new guy new guy and my son
oh oldes son and my baby is 13 yrs old right now
13 is a karmic debt number, but in terms of numerology it possibly holds very little significance for you. I would need ALL of your birthdates and all of your birth names to make a run at figuring that part out. But as something that is trying very hard to get your attention, however, this might be paid some attention to.
Guess what 13 is about?
It's not an unlucky number, by the way.
13 is about FOCUS lol.
If you don't focus you will have to work extra hard to accomplish ANY task.
omg your kidding
So 13's message to you is to keep schedules, stay organized, stay on a budget, stay on task. One. Thing. At. A. Time.
It is telling you not to take shortcuts to success, to be diligent.
This is the message of 13.
When you see any number pattern like that or see a number repeatedly, like on a clock, then on a sign or something it is trying to give you a message.
hoe funny is that
how
:-)
how funny is that
im always being told im not seeing the signs they keep putting out for me. they want to knock me upside the head
its not on purpose but i just really dont get them
And. The other message in your cards that was a little subtle but stuck out some was that you should pay a little more attention to synchronicity. lol.
ahh great sng
soarry
sorry corny joke
how so
lol! how can you type when you are laughing?
i get very random
havent been that quick on the cuff for a logn time now
Well it is that like you said, people say it could hit you upside the head. You just miss some good opportunities that could make your life easier.
synch what
synchronicity.
like which did i miss cause i dont recal seeing any these last 4 yrs
lol.
yes what am i to synch
plan out my base plan for the year ie timeline?
It is when something quite fortunate happens in front of you that meets an immediate need that you are having.
Like. You need to stop at the store for a loaf of bread, but you forgot your wallet, but you find a $10 bill on the sidewalk.
nope none
That kind of stuff.
oh wait there was one with a stock i waited one day cld have kicked myslef. but since then there was nothing
It happens to people all the time. You probably just don't see it.
yeah i get the money thing you just wrote
You should keep your eyes out for it. Little blessings that come randomly from the universe.
Yes, that is synchronicity.
The funny thing about it is, as you show gratitude it happens to you more.
ok will do. hey new guy..
yes i do pass it on
i believe you give what you get get what you give
Also it is something you CAN manifest for yourself.
teach the kids that and about karma
I love you for that.
That is beautiful.
Synchronicity is a lot about good karma returning.
Sort of in an instant gratification kind of way.
You have to trust that Spirit and the Universe are in your corner and helping you out though. The more you believe it the more it will happen.
in line front does now have enough to buy i will cover especially if its a kid wanting to buy something ill look and the cashier and tell them to let them go ill cover
You could do that with the thing coming up with the ex.
you just feel bad
Right. That is one way.
See in that situation you are their synchronicity.
Those same types of things happen to you but you over look them and don't recognize them.
yeah i think so
they dont seem very often to appear
So just open your eyes and watch for it. Better yet, expect it.
Expect that good things are going to happen for you, everything is going to fall into place, focus, and they certainly will.
And you can be absolutely confident in that.
question on new guy. since hes quite emotionaly distant right now does that ever come back the way he was before withe the comments so forth
I'm sorry, I am not sure I understand what you are asking. The way he was before which?
The pulling back?
He is not intentionally separating himself at this time. He is focused on work and responsibilities and Things That People Want from him. I think his mom is part of that. Probably although I try to keep her OUT of your readings, because she can overshadow every little thing.
he used to make comments or be the one to start the tangents on certain topics and now its just me ive told him and he says he knows but thats it
Ah.
sometimes i wonder why i even bother with the mushy stuff if its like eghh
He should not lose the imagination. Poor guy.
Feeling a bit humorless, huh?
He's got a lot of pressure. And he really needs to take that trip I mentioned to you. Just as you needed to.
yeah well there ya go so i get the im old comments and so i dont feel like i should try and sometimes when togethe well guess he in that frame of mind so it startles me
He needs a break from the norm to recharge just as you did.
embarassing sorry
got it
He tells you you're old???
cause i really do think its me cause of me that he doesnt want me in that manner which is why all the quesitong i make
no that hes old and doesnt think of that stuff like befor
at 31 just seems odd
Geez. Maybe he should see a doctor then. Although men's prime is several years earlier. They do lose it sooner than we do.
sothen i think in my head he wants to leave and it comes across to you guys as if im totally worried for no reason
but when that time comes hes just fine not a problem there so why i think it has to do with me
Stress will do that to him too.
He has plenty.
ahh ok shoes on other foot
It doesn't have to do with you. It has to do with him and where he is in his head.
ok got it
hes me 3 yrs ago
If he is thinking too much about the other things going on in his life that will take it out of him.
Yeah.
If he is hearing his mother's voice in his head, he isn't going to feel like it.
thats getting worse isnt it?
It's not about you. This is something that can actually give him some depression because he is trying so hard to please the nagging little voices... and he WANTS to please you and fears he is not and so it becomes a vicious cycle for him. His insecurities of being not good enough and so forth.
It could become a self fulfilling prophecy if he doesn't snap out of it and take a break.
He needs a break. Badly.
He needs to go toward the southwest. On a trip like you took. But I think he will have his turn over the holidays as we spoke of yesterday. I hope that helps him.
been dying to grab him away for a surprise over night just to get away been thinking of how for about a week or two now
This all also not physically healthy for him.
well with family so might not be all that great
Stress of that sort never is.
yeah hes been breaking out again and back on that meds i wish he was done with them
he takes great care of himself its scary
Well you know certain medications will also affect that, too.
how dedicated he is but sadly he doesnt always enjoy his meals
nah not this one
its for the acne
Right. But read the fine print.
fear is the kidneys
Oh ok.
But it is not you, I promise.
no hes on every once n a while just got back on like last week\
He's not facing the truth of what is stressing him and dealing with that correctly. Hence the breakouts and lack of desire.
what is the cause of this stress
It's like I said above. He is being pulled in too many directions and trying to please everyone at once.
oh right sorry
You are the one who gets neglected because you are the most patient and understanding one, but he doesn't want it to be that way, but you don't nag him, which he appreciates, and then he feels inadequate for disappointing you and he sees no end to this, and he withdraws because he feels he is only disappointing you more.
That is why the emotional distance.
yup he has saidthat
So if he could just learn to say no to the others, he would be doing him self a favor. And you. But he has to be able to do that, and then stop trying to be so perfect all the time for everybody, because that is not necessary or helpful to his own goals. One of which is to be with you.
hahah ur ending is funny
lol. Well he is lost in his own muddlement.
his goal is to get into school and finish has always been. has said not sure if im even that far in there
He needs to work his way out of the muck and stay unstuck.
u really gtet that last part from him? really
He needs to get his goals in order.
You recall the message of 13. He needs to focus.
Prioritize.
yes
Of course I meant it.
He thinks about you just like you think about him. Only almost all the time. Only his feeling is that he just can't meet the muster sometimes, and he wonders why bother because he is so overwhelmed from everything else that he doesn't see ending.
poor thing hes must be worked up ive sent that text when i told you and he has not responded
he says i come to mind sometimes sometimes ughh
It's ok. He is right in the middle of it right now.
fig that
Oh that is just him messing with you lol.
well his face is serious when he doesi t
well that sucks
lol
It's meant to be a joke from him. Dry sense of humor.
yes we both have that
lol then you should get it lol.
im a tad morecut throat with mine. i like words like using them and moving them in certain ways.
Also understand that how he comes across to you is how you go across to others when you do that lol.
no i really believe hes being serious
im learningthat
lol.
You should lighten up lol.
we seem to be a mirror in somethings
hahaha
Uh huh. :-)
im in the mind all the time hmmm interesting funny you would never know
Of course not.
hes a guy
lol
He is too dedicated and ... well... TRYING to be focused....
on the task at hand.
Whatever that may be.
Or trying to silence the one who nags him the loudest.
yes he is crossing fingers that thenext step come quickly with not problems
He should try that looking out for synchronicity as well.
well she wont silence till this comes to be.
13 has a message for all of you. Apparently your children as well, from what you told me.
indeed
And today is the 13th.
speaking of which. I must go feed the troops
haha that is right
Ohmygosh. You feed them, too???
;-)
so odd
gonna lay low not work out with him tonight
Good plan.
At least for the moment.
let him get his 2 hrs in peace its arms today
You rest, take care, and enjoy your evening.
he kicks my but when hetrains me
thank you. have agreat nite as well
namaster
lol
hahaha
namaste
You're welcome! Good night!
namaste
gem!!!!!
what gives???
my son just ranted off some things to me last nite just done make sense with what you might be seeing??? now im just confused
in a wierd way of what to look out for
ok confused not a good word or correct in this dialogue. guess best to say something just does not feel right about this all..
Please clarify which son? The elder or the younger? It is important that I know when I do a reading. I will be back when I see your notification. Hang in there. xoxo.
sorry it was with the older boy. he was telling me last nite
Glad I asked. Give me a few minutes and I'll let you know what I see going on with him.
Are you ok?
With you eldest son, the root of his discontent seems to be about money and power. He is too young to quite yet wield it as he would like to, but he seems to have inherited a craving.
*your. Sorry.
He also has your fear of success and a fear of failure.
Much of this is insecurities of his age. He sort of feels like stepping into adulthood is like stepping into an abyss. He is not sure what awaits him or who will catch him if he falls, if anyone will.
agreed spoto n
Poor kid. My heart aches for him right now.
but was about dad
well he seems to have made some sort of peace with the dad
It really wasn't about his dad, though, I don't think. Not really.
Not really, dear. He may be accepting bribes, however.
dad claims that he is seeing someone and told the son about her and possible introduction
He has the same lust and obsession with money and power.
ha i thougth so i even told him that last nite!!!!! how funny is that
yes he does scares me sometimes with that one
Which your son does not want to see happen...every kid secretly hopes their parents will get back together and life will be like normal.
Even the near adult ones.
oh also that he was going on vacation but to not tell anyone. that makes no sense at all
he claims "HELL no" his words
i know the baby does sometimes say it but they saw the abuse
A lot of this is the sentiment of the holidays, and even though you aren't traditional, it is all around and he longs for that.
he does not want me there agian
who ex or son
Your eldest son.
so whats with the cloak and dagger not sayinghes going away. but what stuck odd
Please explain to me what you meant by the secret vacation? I don't understand. Sorry my brain is lagging this evening.
is the sons point of view in the whole thing
no that he is taking a vacation but not to tell anyone
The ex you mean?
yes
No he isn't. I was wishing he would. He is waiting for something. That other trip for the obsession he wants to follow, that he wants to take is a ways off yet, and would be an extended absence if it occurs. But not soon. Not this month.
I'm not sure it ever will, but that is something he is planning. Not cloak and dagger, just nothing confirmed or firmly planned.
Two separate topics, really. The thing this month and the other thing.
well he finally told the son how he wastaking some time off next week but not to tell anyone.
I was wishful thinking that he would go away for that time, but I don't see it happening. Whatever he is planning, he is waiting for something or someone.
the othe im sure is that long trip or perhaps where he would like to travel to
Right. Two separate things.
this if for next week
right
Right, I understand. He is taking time off from work, but that doesn't mean he is going anywhere.
so whats with the done tell any one speech?
dont tell anyone
sorry
bad day
Who said don't tell anyone?
the ex to the son
Oh ick. Maybe he wants your son to think he is going away.
If he told him not to tell anyone, that would be because so many people know it isn't true. That is evil of him to put your son in the spot like that.
well that is hoew he rolls
That is twisted.
He is not going anywhere.
That poor kid.
when he told me that his dad wanted to introduce them to this"woman" i was rather happy more time away from me
He just wants your son to think he is going to be gone.
Until he gets duped.
but then knowing that hes messing still with so many other women wether physically or not made me feel bad for her. that he cant even give this person a fair true shot and will mess with her so badly
Right.
yeah i know up till last week my son wanted nothing to do with him wanted a break and now he says they are cool an understading. i cry bs but hey who am i. i just dont believe my son is being honest with what happend at that dinner
Well, if she exists and if she shows up, which I think neither is ... she has her own lessons to learn or to ... possibly to teach.
but funny my son said he didnt get the feeling that this woman meand anything to my ex . he got feeling she was a past time
does this have to do with next week?
Oh could be, but she is still not materializing as anything real t me.
I'm sure it does.
Have to do with next week.
It's a shame that he is twisting the boy's mind.
A bribe was surely given to get him to say what your ex wanted him to say.
And he wants to be loyal to both of you, in his heart of hearts.
hes good at it ive told him to be careful but hes good at using money to get you on his side
yes that is true
So he is majorly conflicted.
Hence the outburst.
The boy does not know how to process this conflict.
this was to see how i would play this out correct?
On the part of the ex, yes. At the expense of your son's emotional health. Shameful.
I am wondering if you ever mentioned this stuff to the attorney you spoke to.
hahah right now the new guy it totally confused by me right now. hehehe anyway
no not yet
The way this guy plays everybody and is tearing those kids up.
You need to.
its the cycle
I know. But you need to tell the attorney.
If this is the attorney that is handling your divorce.
Get that attorney and counselor talking to each other.
they wanted nothign now hes back to being ok with dad. its a shame till he gets hurt by the dad again i warn him but the need to be loved by dad is strong he does not see it coming
ok
It was a bribe.
this is the older one 19 it wont hold much weight
Right. Not quite adult but definitely no longer a child.
excatly
At some point he has to learn to face the consequences of his choices. Just be there to lovingly support him when it falls apart again.
Just reassure him that no matter what, you are his mom and love him no matter what. Look him in the eye and tell him.
Don't try to make his choices for him or even warn him anymore.
If you do, that will just push him further the other direction. They SO love to resist pressure at that age. If there is no pressure from you, that will be helpful in the long run.
I know it is so hard to do, but bite your tongue when you are tempted to do it.
oh i know.. i know how to spak with each of them they are oh so different but you have to learn how they think
he told me that his dad is getting them some very expensive headphones. just now.. haha there ya go
Yep.
There ya go.
It begins.
and so it goes
is the woman story even real
I think your ex thinks she is real, but I don't think she is real. Like I said. I get the strong suspicion that just as he is trying to set you up for something, someone else is in the process of setting him up for something.
he said she works for the bank
Maybe it is your guardian angel decided to play hard ball with him lol.
what do you mean?
Giving him some of his own medicine.
There is a strong sense of karma paybacks heading directly for him.
If you could excuse me? I forgot! Oh my gosh... sweetie, I have to run an errand. I wasn't watching the time.
I have to run. I'll check for you later, ok?
ok
hey there..
gezz what a sucky horoscope i got today.. told me:
A close friend or lover may throw you a curve ball today and you might not see it coming. Thankfully, it doesn't feel all that unpleasant even if you do get broadsided by a surprising situation, especially if you're able to let go of your previous expectations. Instead of trying to regain control of your day, relax and see where the new path leads. A little uncertainty can inspire you to express yourself in a highly creative manner.
but i know this could be ex as well. can you tell? please thank you
That does sound yucky. Thank you for bringing me your concern, although for most purposes I would caution you not to lend too much credibility to horoscopes that are not based on YOUR time and place of birth. Your reading on this exact situation is, perhaps surprisingly, exceedingly pleasant, in regards XXXXX XXXXX Guy. The Two of Cups and the Page of Wands in regards XXXXX XXXXX guy... which is just about the very best one could hope to see in response to such a question. :-) BUT... yes... here he is. The ex and his depraved love of chaos as the King of Wands reversed and the Emperor reversed... both...icky indeed. Charismatic, intimidating, appearing and disappearing with suddenness and leaving upheaval in his wake... fits of rage... cold calculation. YOUR response needs to be to courageously stand up for your beliefs in the face of any adversity that might present itself.
funny he wast @ the house yesterday while i was at the store. i rused home to take baby to dentist and there he was next door. I swear he did something with my neighbors a long time ago but i have nothing to prove it. just a gut feeling. anyways as we were leaving in the car i saw him but kept going i did not even say hello. but what was funny he walked the whole driveway of theirs and watched up drive away with a look of why are you not speaking to me or hurt or guilt or confused i dotnt know but it was odd that way he just kept looking on
ok got it with the horoscpe wont bother with that thanks. and really all that with the new guy is that good? why the change?
Not really a change, dear. Just the ebb and flow of the natural energy of your relationship. It has good days and not so good days and then better days again. But if you are looking for his support and compassion, today is a better day to seek it.
lol duh huh..
hes an odd egg that ex cant tell any more where his mind is like i used to
Your ex isn't "hurt" that you won't talk to him. He is "hurt" because whatever havoc he wants to wreak on your life isn't panning out so well for him.
His "hurt" face is phony.
You just keep on the way you have been and not acknowledging that, and not taking his bait, and you will get through whatever he has up his sleeve.
The reason he is so difficult to read is because there is so much intentional deception going on there.
Intentional and concentrated.
His thoughts and intentions are like a tangled jungle of deceit and betrayal.
the hurt face? yeah i knew that one they look more like how could you thats more the feel i get from it . how cld i not speak to him like it should be my must.. or duty
sorry lost my connection there for a bit.
Right, we are having a thunderstorm here, so I might lose mine as well.
ok
is all still hazy with whatever he is planning?
Hey there... so im being told hes speaking to a friend that he is leaving on a plane.. sorry the ex.
an this woman who works with him well shes just like him and plays both sides ive never trusted her. anyway hes giving her the death story if something happens to me blah blah and she asked for something which i know all goes to me. such a douche.. hehe sorry
anyway anything you read now?
I didn't see him actually going anywhere the last time we looked at that. Telling the story, yes, but actually traveling, no. I will look again.
hey there..
he says to a co=worker friend he is packing and if somthing happens to the plane to pray for it . the whole spanish thing
Yes. I see that this is part of him plotting to give you false security in a chance to rest from him. This is quite elaborate planning.
brb hang on
k.
ok back
i gave my kids the escape plan they looked at me like right??? did i really need to do that?
lol.
Yes you did.
oh wait forgot to tel you. someone's trying to tell mesomthing but i have no idea what.
?
Who?
last nite was date nite i switched my gloves for another pair.
ok :)
this morning i cldnt find one of the set that I left @ home then i saw the missing glove under my table in the living room and thought oh ok there it is. ill grab when coming back from bathroom. then i walked out ofmy room looked there again and it was not there
ughhh those are starting again
Go look under the the underside of the table.
Like at the bottom of it.
Is that floor carpet or hard floor? Rug? What?
the base of the table or the legs its a marble top long time in my family and the base is metal and yes its under a small round rug on hardwood
it was in between the two legs smack on the middle
Look underneath the tabletop itself, to see if something is written there or has been taped there. Or a surveillance device. Like a listening device.
Look carefully.
Someone is drawing your attention to that spot for a reason.
crap my mother said that just yesterday!!!!!!!
If you don't find it under the table, look around FROM that spot and see what you can see.
examine everything you can.
Bugs can be tiny. Like buttons.
behind those legs is an arm chair and a sofa to the width of it
ok will do
They can also be contained in items such as a pen.
hango n
So anything you find that looks out of place, anything at all.... and it might be small. Check everything.
please
sorry
k
ok thank you
will do tonite. We thought so once before.. and got that feeling on saturday i think it was when she said it
Also you said he was at the neighbors. Try checking in that direction, even outside the house for anything.
I think he left something over there for the boys though. As part of his pretense of going away.
And maybe to start a rumor about you.
huh?
rumor yeah i bet he was next door and they love him he has known them since jr high
Oh drop some little story about you ... just to make you look bad.
im sure i dont care i know them and the truth of i must not care anymore right??
Well check that direction for any kind of surveillance item too.
Or something. Anything.
what the heck is wrong with this guy
if he has someone else just leave me alone
I don't know what is wrong with him. I could speculate, but I am not qualified to say.
theraist gave him a name no worries
I have to go run my 5:30 errand in a few minutes. Go look under that table. Remember you might be looking for something very tiny.
can you see the plot at all now since so close? so hes not going anywhere?
No I still do not seeing him taking a long trip. He might even purchase airline tickets though, because he is really thinking this out. But I don't see him actually going.
am i getting hurt?
I don't know how far he will carry this ruse. Or why he feels it is necessary.
and thats my gut
I didn't see that happening either, no, because you are smart and forewarned and not going to be in his way.
ok ttul i know you have to leave
This is why the listening device makes sense. He might be wanting to know where you will be what your plans are.
So be careful what you say and where.
And to whom.
You can make white noises like fans running and water running and have tv on and such that make it more difficult for him to hear what is spoken.
is it just done? hahaha there has been alot said
You could be looking for a pen or a watch or something really small like a button.
is he going to go crazy and just anyone in the office?
Basically you are looking for something unfamiliar to you as something that belongs in the house or to you.
ooops meant to say hurt anyone in office
his office
ok will do tonite when i get home
His office? I don't think so. I didn't see that at all. I think he is only going to damage himself.
I do have to run now though.
ok
Keep me posted. Use a fine tooth comb to look.
See ya soon.
will do i really wanted to talk about new guy, i was stern last nite with what or how he did this and i know he felt bad but i had to tell him that really sucked. he seems fine with what i said i did say not to do that again just say what he needed to.
lol
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