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2013 FORD ESCAPE 1.6 ECOBOOST...
2013 FORD ESCAPE 1.6 ECOBOOST TURBO, HARD STARTS , RUNS LIKE CRAP FOR 3-5 SECONDS THEN DIES, WONT REFIRE FOR ABOUT A MIN THEN WILL DO THE SAME THING.ALREADY REPLACED LOW PRESSURE FUEL PUMP,
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Ford Mechanic: Kenny Z., Ford Senior Master Tech replied 3 months ago
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Hello, my name is***** and thanks for your question.

Do you have a scanner that can monitor live PCM data?

If so need readings for FLP (fuel low pressure) FRP (fuel rail pressure) FVC fault (fuel volume control).

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
I DO HAVE A SNAP-ON SOLTUS SCANNER, I CAN SEE THE FUEL RAIL PRESSURE BUT COULDN'T FIND THE FUEL LOW PRESSURE
Ford Mechanic: Kenny Z., Ford Senior Master Tech replied 3 months ago

OK so what is the rail pressure when cranking engine?

Any of these codes present?

  • P00C6, P0087, P008A, P008B, P018C, Or P018D

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
sorry did find low side pressure, when cranking lsp is 85-102 psi hsp is 1438psi only codes i have are P26b7-00
Ford Mechanic: Kenny Z., Ford Senior Master Tech replied 3 months ago

OK, fuel system looks fine by those readings. P26b7 won't cause this symptom.

I would check compression next.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
what is compression supposef to be?
Ford Mechanic: Kenny Z., Ford Senior Master Tech replied 3 months ago

They don't publish exact spec, at least 150 psi or so.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
ok just got plugs pulled and all the plugs were wet and soaked in fuel, teste spark on cylinder one and its getting nice strong spark
Ford Mechanic: Kenny Z., Ford Senior Master Tech replied 3 months ago

Yes I figured it had spark and fuel since it fires off.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
all cylinders between 147-158
Ford Mechanic: Kenny Z., Ford Senior Master Tech replied 3 months ago

What led you to replace the low pressure pump?

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
when you first crank it over, it hesitates trying to start, then kicks off runs good for about 2 seconds then stumbles like its running out of fuel
Ford Mechanic: Kenny Z., Ford Senior Master Tech replied 3 months ago

Ok, so you didn't check fuel pressure before pump replacement.

Maybe its just flooded. I would try cleaning or replacing the spark plugs. If still the same then next is exhaust restriction or air inlet restriction.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
i did not check the low side before, already have replaced plugs but will clean these again, exhaust is off at the b-pipe flange and did check induction at the air cleaner.
Ford Mechanic: Kenny Z., Ford Senior Master Tech replied 3 months ago

OK Dan, I'm out of ideas.I will opt out and see if any other experts have any other ideas.

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Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
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d​o you have vin number? is this your car or customer car?

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
1FMCU9GX1DUA12029 customer vehicle
Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 3 months ago

If codes cleared what comes up first?

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Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 3 months ago

I​s this your car or a customer car?

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
customer vehicle, they come up at the same time
Customer reply replied 3 months ago
sorry, only the one code
Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 3 months ago
Ok let's go basics...is fuel pressure at specs? Is spark consistent? Timing? Injector pulse? Do you want me to provide a list of things to do or do u want to talk on phone and go thru siag steos? Is this ur car?
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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
customers car, fuel pressure on low side is between 82-105 at cranking, high pressure is between 1430-1500 , compression is all around 150psi when i pulled the plugs they all were coated in fuel. checked spark on cylinder 1 and was nice consistant spark. i have replaced in tank fuel pump and spark plugs
Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
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H​AVE YOU COMPARED THESE READINGS WITH SPECS? OK WHAT ABOUT AIR HAVE YOU CHECKED IDLE MOTOR AND TIMING? YOU SAY EXHAUST NOT RESTRICTED?

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
last tech said there was no specs for compression, fuel pressure he said was in spec, have not checked idle motor or timing. i can't find any info in those.
Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
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Can u see what timing says on scanner?
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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Only thing is sasys about timing is desired cam timing on intake and exhaust, both stay at zero under cranking
Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
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DOESNT SOUND RIGHT...DO YOU HAVE A LABSCOPE OR METER THAT CAN MEASURE HERTZ FREQUENCIES

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Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
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WHAT ABOUT CONTAMINATED FUEL? IS MASS AIR FLOW READING GOOD? EXHAUST NOT CLOGGED? IF YOU OPEN THROTTLE UP TO LET MORE AIR IN DOES THAT HELP IDLE AIR MOTOR WORKING PROPERLY?

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
no on the meter, removed the exhaust at the b-pipe when i did the fuel pump, doesn't sound clogged when it does run, throttle makes no difference, what would a good MAF reading be for this vehicle
Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 3 months ago

fuel not full of water or contaminated? I will try and find a good maf reading for you. good injector pulse consistent spark ?

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Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 3 months ago

all engines need spark fuel air compression and everything has to be timed correctly and engine needs to exhale no restricted exhaust... but thats ok... so lets ck for something else besides exhaust

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Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
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if you crack throttle open so more air gets in. does this have a cable actuated accelerator?

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Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
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l​ook at e ?41 percent that downt look right compare ti with readings on you voltmeter/ohmmeter and see if that is what its actually reading or wheter computer thinks that's what it is? so sensor issue or pcm issue...that is what we need to determine

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
where is that position sensor at?
Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
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Ford Mechanic: eric remington,
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I​F YOU COULD TAKE A MOMENT TO RATE ME I WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE INFO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IM NOT WASTING MY TIME AS I DONT GET COMPENSATION WITHOUT A RATING. IVE BEEN BURNED MANY TIMES

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everytime ive rated someone early it closes it out so i can't get back in without paying for it again,
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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
are you gonna help me or not? I'm not raiting you until its done, if not give me someone that will help me.
Ford Mechanic: Dan, ASE Certified Technician replied 3 months ago
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Different expert here. Remove the fuel pump fuse and try to start the engine.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
ok, give me a few, gotta put it back together. lol
Ford Mechanic: Dan, ASE Certified Technician replied 3 months ago

Ok, I am going to log off for a couple hours.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
removed the fuse from F56 interior fuse panel, as that was the only one i seen that said anything about fuel pump, tried starting and it does the exact same thing. is this normal or have i pulled the wrong fuse
Ford Mechanic: Dan, ASE Certified Technician replied 3 months ago

try spraying starting fluid in the intake.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
doesnt make a difference, well it didnt when fse was still in there, why would it still start up for a second if the fuel pump fuse is pulled?
Ford Mechanic: Dan, ASE Certified Technician replied 3 months ago

Sounds like its flooded. Remove fuel pump fuse. put a jump box on it, hold throttle wide open and crank engine

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
is that the right fuse?
Ford Mechanic: Dan, ASE Certified Technician replied 3 months ago

You could verify by pulling the wiring diagram for the fuel pump

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
i don't have access to the wiring diagrams, thats why i'm on here. lol
Ford Mechanic: Dan, ASE Certified Technician replied 3 months ago

I am away from the shop and unable to get you that info at this time. You could verify by checking fuel pressure with the fuse removed.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
with that fuse pulled low side pressure is only around 14.7 psi but the high side pressure stays steady ast 1600psi
Customer reply replied 3 months ago
with WOT the engine just cranks and won't start but if i release the pedal it will still stumble for a few seconds
Ford Mechanic: Dan, ASE Certified Technician replied 3 months ago

I am going to opt out and let another try.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
ANYONE?
Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Really would like to get this done....
Customer reply replied 3 months ago
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