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Codes P1131, P1151,P0136,P0156 idles rough. consistent to

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Codes P1131, P1151,P0136,P0156 idles rough. JA...
Codes P1131, P1151,P0136,P0156 idles rough.
JA: Is the rough idle intermittent or consistent?
Customer: consistent to point of stalling occasionally while in gear at stop
JA: What is the model/year of your Ford?
Customer: 1998 F250
JA: Are you hoping to fix this yourself? What have you tried so far?
Customer: Checked the EGR system, all seems fine there, the EGR plunger moves
JA: Anything else you think the mechanic should know?
Customer: have full ODB scan too
Submitted: 1 year ago.Category: Ford
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Ford Mechanic: A. Penland, Ford Senior Master Technician, ASE replied 1 year ago
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These codes are caused either by a vacuum leak, low fuel pressure or a bad Mass Air Flow Sensor. Inspect the vacuum lines and the PCV hoses from the intake to the valve cover. Check the rubber elbows for cracks, stickiness and collapsed hoses. Then check the fuel pressure.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
P0136 Freeze Data:
Fuel Sys 1 OL-Fault
Calc Load % 24.3
ECT 190
STFT B1 % 0
LTFT B1 % 0
STFT B2 % 17.1
LTFT B2 % 0
ENG RPM 1213
Veh Speed 31
LIVE DATA PARKED:
Fuel Sys 1 OL Fault
Calc Load 36.0
ECT 194
STFT B1 3.1
LTFT B1 0
STFT B2 2.3
LTFT B2 0
ENG RPM 525
VEH SPD 0
Spark Adv 12
IAT 100
MAF lb/min 1.166
TPS % 18.4
O2S B1 S1 0
STFT B1 S1 3.1
O2S B1 S2 0.010
STFT B1 S2 NA
O2S B2 S1 0
STFT B2 S1 2.3
O2S B2 S2 0.010
More reading available at cold, running and parked hot.
STFT B2 S2 NA
Ford Mechanic: A. Penland, Ford Senior Master Technician, ASE replied 1 year ago

Check for vacuum leaks on the PCV system first.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I did a 2500 rpm test for vacuum, pending purchase of a vaccum tester.
at idle, 800 rpm, Short Term Fuel Trim fluctuated 1.5 to 3.9
After 2 min, the Short Term Fuel Trim dropped to 0 on all banks and sensors.
returning to idle, 630 rpm, Short Term Fuel Trim fluctuated 1.5 to 2.3
Long Term Fuel Trim stayed at 0, probably from reseting the DTC.
Voltage on O2 Sensors stayed 0 to .025 varing from bank and sensorConfirm this looks like vaccum leak data, or O2 Sensor fouling, thanks.
Ford Mechanic: Chris (aka- Moose), Technician replied 1 year ago
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Welcome, I'm Chris (aka Moose) I prefer to work when others don't, I am here around lunch and after dinner till after midnight.

The previous tech has opted out. Would you like me to help with this air fuel ratio issue?

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Ford Mechanic: Chris (aka- Moose), Technician replied 1 year ago

Hello again Chris here,

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I am still trouble shooting for a vacuum leak, based on above results.
Sometimes after traveling at higher speed the idle will stick high, until it settles back down or not.
I have tried propane hosing to see if idle increases...no change
I still need to try carburetor washing of gaskets.
I have closed off the PVC line from TB and no change
There is no change with isolating the EGR valve either
There is good vacuum on the small actuator lines I can reach and remove.
Ford Mechanic: Chris (aka- Moose), Technician replied 1 year ago

At operating temp in park what is the short term fuel trim on both banks?

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
See if the attached excel makes sense for fuel trim readings
Ford Mechanic: Chris (aka- Moose), Technician replied 1 year ago

If there was a vacuum leak your short and long term trims would be pegged at the max +20. The spec is +/-10. Your average is not out of specs meaning this is not a vacuum leak to blame.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Would you recommend checking all the O2 sensor then?
Ford Mechanic: Chris (aka- Moose), Technician replied 1 year ago

The PCM uses the O2 sensor reading to determine how long to pulse the fuel injectors. That would change the fuel trim readings. Without the trim readings out of whack and no O2 codes I can not see a way to blame the O2 sensors.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
if the codes at the beginning of the thread (P1131, P1151,P0136,P0156 ) are not O2 sensor problems, and the fuel trim does not indicate a vacuum leak....where should I look for the rough idle and high idle?
Ford Mechanic: Chris (aka- Moose), Technician replied 1 year ago

I did not even remember about the previous codes mentioned long ago from the time delay between responses. I can not keep up efficiently on the topic at hand when there are days between posts. I will opt out and see if another wants to help.

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Ford Mechanic: A. Penland, Ford Senior Master Technician, ASE replied 1 year ago

Try unplugging the MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensor and drive the vehicle. See if you get the same codes and same drivability problems. A bad MAF can cause all the same problems.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I unplugged the MAF and Temp sensors
After running the engine to normal op temp and driving for 5 min I did not get P1131, P1151,P0136,P0156
I did get the expected P0113, P0102
Drivability was the same or worse, idle was rough before now engine will die while at low idle.
the occasional sticking of high idle (1600-1700rpm) was much more frequent, until enough load caused idle to drop.
Previously when testing, when isolating the idle air control valve air loop (before TB to IACV) the engine would start but not run.
See attached Live Data info.
Thanks for the insight
Ford Mechanic: A. Penland, Ford Senior Master Technician, ASE replied 1 year ago

Plug the MAF back in, clear the codes and loosen the exhaust pipes from the manifolds and run the vehicle. It will be noisy, but see if thing change. This will check for clogged exhaust/bad converters.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
That may take a little while...will reply when done...thanks
Ford Mechanic: A. Penland, Ford Senior Master Technician, ASE replied 1 year ago

Ok.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
The exhaust manifold nuts are rust welded on, and the easy to reach O2 Sensor is stuck so the sensor socket won't get it off...this may take a few days.
Ford Mechanic: A. Penland, Ford Senior Master Technician, ASE replied 1 year ago

ok.

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