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2008 Ford Escape won't start with key. Replaced ignition

Customer Question

2008 Ford Escape won't start with key. Replaced ignition strict and starter. Now here's the kicker, if I turn the key then pop my hood and use a wire on a sensor if starts! What could this mean?
Submitted: 1 year ago.
Category: Ford
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Is this an escape or a escape hybrid and is it a xlt, xls or limited and which engine, the 2.3, 3.0 and what sensor under the hood are you referring to and where is the other end of the wire attached to?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Escape, i don't know if it's an xlt or xls, I believe it's a v6, and I'm not sure what sensor, a guy who knows stuff about cars figured it out for me, and the wire has nothing attached to it. It's just a piece of wire with two ends and I touch the two ends on this sensor and the car starts
Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Xlt, 3.0. Just looked it up with the vin
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

I need to know what sensor this is. Can you take a photo of your finger pointing to it or something marking it and post the photo?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Pointing at it with my wire
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Ok, that looks like a relay socket. Did you remove the relay right there?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
I bought a new sensor and it didn't fix the problem.
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Yeah, here is that Battery Junction Box ,

the relay yo pulled out was the starter relay. Try pulling one of those other relays and put it in that spot and see if the starter cranks now.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

the other 3 in that same spot are all cooling fan relays, so try one of them.

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Didn't do anything
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Ok, so you swapped a relay, is that what you are telling me?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Yeah I tried all of them
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Ok,I can see you are jumping 5 to 3 in the relay socket. Do you have a voltmeter or 12 volt test light?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
No I do not
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Check this fuse, the #27 in the smart junction box under the center of the dash. It should be hot all the time. It feeds that starter relay via the ignition switch, pcm and neutral switch.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Replace that fuse then even if it appears not blown if you have another 20a fuse.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Then with the starter relay in see if the starter cranks now.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Here is the wiring diagram in case we need it for the starter,

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Now I am super confused lol I'm sorry I'm not a mechanic. Should I go to autozone and buy these parts ?
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Fuses? Look in the fuse box for a spare. I would check the fuse first before you go to autozone. there is also the MIDI fusible link 174a before that #27 fuse.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

At least just look at both of them and if 1 is blown get a new fuse if you don't have a spare and while you are there pick up a $5 12 volt test light or multi-meter which will have a voltmeter.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

If the fuse is blown, make sure you take it with you too so you get the right type and amperage.

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
I don't have any fuses that say 20a
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

What do you mean, spares or are you talking about in the smart junction box under the center of the dash?

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Go back to that fuse box where you was under the hood and remove and check that MIDI fusible link 175a. I know I misspelled it before and said 174a, it's a 175a.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

OOps, it's actually a 125a. I see it in that diagram now.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

the fuse I am pointing to in this diagram, check it.

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
How do I check it
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

First of all, see if it does come out. If so, about all you can do without a voltmeter or 12 volt test light is remove it and look to see if it's blown.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

If you don't know what to look for, remove it and take a photo and post that photo and I'll look at it.

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
I can't get it out
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Do you have a pair of pliers? If so, gently try to pull that fuse straight out, maybe wiggling just a little.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

get it out yet?

You also need to check that fuse #27 in the smart junction box under the center of the dash if that 125a fuse is ok.

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Getting pliers right now from my neighbor
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

ok

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
The fuse doesn't come out with pliers, I would need a ratchet set which I don't have.
Customer: replied 1 year ago.
There's really not much I am going to be able to do it looks like
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Forget that fuse for now, that 125a fuse feeds that other #27 fuse anyhow, so you could just check that fuse #27 for now.

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Where's that fuse
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

fuse #27 in the smart junction box under the center of the dash

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Here is a diagram of the Smart Junction Box Components

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

here shows where the smart junction box is, look at the bottom of this diagram, slightly to the right of the middle,

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
I don't know how to check it and it's getting really cold and snowy where I am
At. I am going to have to call it a night. I am so sorry.
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

This video shows how, the 4th video is about looking at the fuse. http://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/2008_Ford_Escape_Hybrid_2.3L_4_Cyl./fuse_interior/replace

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

I will check in on you tomorrow to see how you are doing.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

any news?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
My husband has the car at work today.
Customer: replied 1 year ago.
I won't be able to do anything until
Tomorrow
Expert:  Mike S. replied 1 year ago.

Ok, the next thing was checking that fuse #27 in the fuse box in the center of the dash, just in case you forgot.

Expert:  EricFromCT replied 1 year ago.

When you turn the key to the ON position does the theft light flash rapidly? Or does it come on solid for 3 seconds then go off?