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F250 Super Duty Pickup 4x4: 05' F250 5.4 - runs fine cold but

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05' F250 5.4 - runs...
05' F250 5.4 - runs fine cold but after it heats up it has a rough idle but will clear at 1100 rpms.
New plugs - new cam position sensors - new variable cam timeing solenoid on bank 1 - checked continuity on wiring. shops had it for 2 weeks and cannot determine the problem
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Truck has 92K miles
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
It also has a "spark knock" when you accelerate. The rough idle is pronounced and will result in the truck cutting off but when you start it, it runs fine and transitions back to rough idle.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
I replaced both cam positions sensors about 2 months ago. The truck has the same symptoms but we have tried two new cam position sensors on bank 1 where the scanner says the problem is.
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
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greetings, is the check engine light on? what were or are the trouble codes?
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
the 5.4L 3 valves are known for bunch of oil flow /vvt issues
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
best place to start is make sure valve timing is on
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
very easy when using the dealership scanner or an advanced scanner similar
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
we need to check for misfires, relative compression
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
I have seen bad phasers and or the pin to the cam cause valve timing issues that give symptoms like you have
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
If one bank or cylinder head is off/low it points to a phaser/cam out of time.
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
phasers can be replaced without removing front cover. Just need tool to hold chain tight in guide. let me know if the truck chains make noise cold. tensioners can leak
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
every time I have seen cam codes it was a valve timing issue.
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
I helped fix one like this for another shop. I work on fleet trucks and a tech had one like this giving him a hard time and he and other techs had tried a few parts. I did a relative compression test and found bank one had all cylinders low. The pin for the phaser to the cam bent. The shop replaced the cam and phaser and truck was done.
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Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
how are you making out. any update from the shop?
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Pulled the valve cover and found an unusual amount baked on oil in the valve cover. Started it with the valve cover off to see if we were getting adequate oil. There wasn't much so the theory was to flush the engine a couple of times to see if this was contributing to the symptoms. Timing chain on that side was tight and no visible issue with the phaser.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
I doubt this is the culprit but it needed to be done. I'm gonna get it out of this shop Monday and bring it home and install a full OEM timing kit .
Ford Mechanic: Ironmike, Ford Technician replied 3 years ago
the VVT system (variable valve timing) works on oil pressure. I did mention that theses are known for oil flow issues. The VVT solenoid mounts into a housing that can get clogged. I have seen oil flushes fix these issues once or twice. The CAM phasers can fail where you can see it and they can also fail where it is hard to tell. The way they design the oil to flow does not help either. The last place to get oil pressure is the tensioner. just before the chain tensioner the phaser gets oil. If the engine has low oil pressure it affects the VVT system. I have seen bad cam journals cause low pressure to the vvt system.
good to start with a base oil pressure test. should have over 20psi hot.
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