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I don't have no cranking on the engine starter and battery

I don't have no cranking...
I don't have no cranking on the engine starter and battery is hood Good
JA: Have you checked the fuel supply? And are all the spark plugs working?
Customer: No crank no turn over
JA: What is the model/year of your Lincoln?
Customer: 2005 aviator 4.6
JA: Are you fixing your Aviator yourself? What have you tried so far?
Customer: I jump the starter it works and I tested the relay I am getting the signal from the ignition to at relay
JA: Anything else you want the mechanic to know before I connect you?
Customer: I have a drawing and test everything but still no crank
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11/16/2017
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Hello my name is ***** ***** welcome to just answers! I will be assisting you with all of your vehicle questions today. Give me one moment while I review your question and come back with a answer. Please be aware I do not know your skill level or abilities so I will be asking a lot of questions and in a lot of cases we will respond to each other quite a lot before we find a solution. As far as phone calls are concerned that is the system prompting you, not me, and they do cost more money, I prefer text but in some cases a phone call is required. If I don’t answer right away or quickly in conversation I am helping another customer or have stepped out for a moment and will respond as soon as I can. Ok lets get started!

When you checked the relay did you get power and ground on 85 and 86

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can you throw power to 87 and get it to start? and is there power on 30?

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I did crank it from the relay point with my tester it did crank but didn't start up

so with a new relay in that spot you cant get power down to starter?

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I did try a next relay same thing no crank from the key inside

is your ground on 86 high resistance?

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
How I check that

check it on ohms to ground when you are in the start position

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I got 0.456
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
No under ohms setting I got nothing
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Meaning high resistance
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Right
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Hello are u there

sorry my pc just shut down, what setting was it on?

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Ohms setting my multi meter
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I got nothing
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I did it on all ranges

what about dc 20 and act like your checking power and see if you get signal, so main lead on positive and check to see if you get voltage reading

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I got 12v

well everything is checking out, you should be getting 12v at starter wire,

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
No crank still the relay don't close
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
But I should get some kind of resistance on the Wire
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
To ground

should be very low resistance if anything, you may want to check the relay panel and check connections on the back side and check the signal from pcm to relay ground, could be a connector loose or corroded

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
once I am getting a positive signal from the key to the relay does that mean the key is still program
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
low resistance is closer to 0 right
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
It is saying on the drawing it is the og wire coming from the pcm with the ground to the relay can u send me a drawing to make sure I got the right drawing
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Hi are still there
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Hello

yes if you had a key issues there would be a security light on, and yes on the resistance close to 0

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I went to the key Smith and he said the key is still transmitting so I guess the key is still good

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1s6drtb062wk2ts/printout.docx?dl=0

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Now I test the wire with the key on it is a ground but when I turn the key to start the og wire turns to a hot 12v wire

this is with the relay unplugged?

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I don't remember if I had it in I will check it again

well its getting late here can we pick this back up tomorrow ?

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
With the relay in the it turns to hot I got the power is flowing throw the coil but th3 relay don't close this very stange
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Can the security still stop the starter from cranking
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Hello are u still there man
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Hi Im David, let me look over the notes from the previous tech. please allow me a few minutes. thanks

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ok, let me now look at a wiring diagram

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have you tried to start it in neutral?

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
No I can try that
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
But if I am getting a signal on the relay when turning to start the mean the switch is find
Customer reply replied 25 days ago
Hi there is anyone here
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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I try still nothing

ok, let start over here. you are getting 12vdc at 30 and 85 at thee relay correct?

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Customer reply replied 25 days ago
I left the car to get some parts when I get back I will link u

ok

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
Hi there are u there I am ready to go into this car

sure.

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ok, lets start over here. you are getting 12vdc at 30 and 85 at the relay correct?

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
When I try to start

no. turn the key off. check for 12vdc at 30

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
Test lead on pos. For battery and 30 I got 12v

ok. since you have voltage on 30 and 85 when trying to start, we can assume the ignition switch is good, the transmission range sensor is good.

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
10.4v on 85

that fine

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
Ok

and it you jumper 30 to 87 the starter cranks, correct?

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
it crank

ok, the pcm isn't controlling the ground side of the relay coil.

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
the ground coming from the pcm on the og wire is not holding it
Customer reply replied 24 days ago
the pcm is bad

correct and yes. unless you want to do a continuity test of the orange wire from the relay to thee pcm to make sure the wire isn't open somewhere

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
I did that the wire is good

then its the pcm

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
I probe the og wire and when I turn on the key the wire becomes hot

thats fine, but its supposed to be a switching ground

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
Meaning coming from the ignition hot it going throw the coil for the relay
Customer reply replied 24 days ago
Mean only when to crank the car it turns to a ground then goes natural
Customer reply replied 24 days ago
is there any way to get this to work and would a key stop that ground from coming out from the pcm

no theres no way and no a key wouldnt stop it from working like that. you need a pcm and have it programmed.

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
U think the pcm need to be grounded q
Customer reply replied 24 days ago
I have a place I can get program pcm is that a good idea

yes, good idea

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
I try still nothing
Customer reply replied 24 days ago
Any tips on how to remove the pcm from the car

grounding the pcm? thats not what i meant was a good idea. i meant getting another pcm was

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standby

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here you go

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
Thanks very much

you bet

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Customer reply replied 24 days ago
will I be charge a one time of 26.00 because I requested a next mach.

I have no idea about any charges sir. I only help people with their vehicles.

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hows it going?

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Customer reply replied 20 days ago
Do u have any place I can get a good cheap computer

ebay is a great place. If you can hold on until 10 am eastern I will be back on.

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