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Can the months of a used GI bill that was transferred during

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can the months of a used GI bill that was transferred during marriage be considered in a divorce if the GI bill was an asset of the husbands before the marriage in a community property state?
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Family Lawyer: P. Simmons, Lawyer replied 2 years ago
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Hi, My name is Philip. I am an attorney with over 16 years experience. Hopefully I can help you with your legal question.
The GI BILL is considered separate property. Also, it is an entitlement to the veteran...it would not be divisible by a court in a divorce action
Please let me know if you have more questions. I am happy to help if I can. Otherwise, please rate the answer so I may get credit for my work.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
i didn't ask if it was divisible. I asked if it could be considered as community property if it was an asset before the marriage, then given to the spouse during marriage, at the time of divorce, by a judge
Family Lawyer: P. Simmons, Lawyer replied 2 years ago
Sorry...I want to make sure I understand...a court ordered transfer of the GI BILL? A court has no power to do this...
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
no. no court order. it was an asset of mine before the marriage. I transferred it to her during the marriage. can it be considered as payment of a percentage of property? i.e. subtracted from the 50% she would receive from proceeds that she would receive from the selling of the house?
Family Lawyer: P. Simmons, Lawyer replied 2 years ago
Ahhh, thank you. Now I understand. You incurred a service obligation for the transfer ?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
yes. of course. AND her education would have cost 10's of thousands of dollars had I not given her my GI bill
Family Lawyer: P. Simmons, Lawyer replied 2 years ago
Thanks. So is there use left? Of has she used the entire benefit? And if there is time left, is it anticipated she will use it in the future (for example is she in school now)?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
there is SOME left. but I revoked it only after she finished her education. she is employed full time and makes more because of the degree she earned. so it was mine. I gave it to her, what she used of It I now cannot. why shouldn't the cost of the education be subtracted from other proceeds due to her?
Family Lawyer: P. Simmons, Lawyer replied 2 years ago
Thanks.
What you describe is not community property.
The court cannot use this in its distribution of community property, because it technically no longer exists. It was used. Sort of like when you spend money... Once the money is spent, it is no longer an asset that can be counted as community property.
Now, this could be considered in a determination of spousal support; for example, if the court was contemplating awarding spousal support to her, this contribution would likely reduce any support order.
However, what you are describing, a benefit that has been used? It is no longer an asset that can be divided. So it will not be part of the division of community property.
This is the part of my job I don't like...when the law is not in favor of my customer. I wish I could tell you that a judge would be forced to consider this as an asset, but I can only provide you information based on the law so that you can act on the best available information to you...I wish I had better news, but can only hope you recognize and understand my predicament and don't shoot the messenger. I'm sorry!
Please let me know if you have more questions. I am happy to help if I can. Otherwise, please rate the answer so I may get credit for my work.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
hmm. I essentially paid for her education. I can't see how that could not be considered. if I had incurred a debt because of paying for her education, I'm sure it would be. I really am not satisfied with your answer here
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
and EXACTLY. it is NOT community property. it was mine, she used it. I should be reimbursed at some level
Family Lawyer: P. Simmons, Lawyer replied 2 years ago
Sir, I am truly sorry that I can not give you the answer you seek. But it would do neither of us any good for me to provide you with inaccurate information.
I understand you are not satisfied. I will opt out and allow another expert to assist you. I wish you the best.
Phil
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Family Lawyer: Ely, Counselor at Law replied 2 years ago
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Your previous expert has opted out and I have opted in. Please note:
(A) This is general information and is not legal advice. No specific course of action is proposed herein. No attorney-client relationship or privilege is formed by speaking to an expert on this site. This is repeated in numerous disclaimers throughout the site. By continuing, you confirm that you understand and agree to these terms; and (B) there may be a slight delay between your follow ups and my reply while I am typing out my answer.
Can you please tell me what state this is in?
This is not an answer, but an Information Request. I need this information to answer your question. Please reply, so I can answer your question. Thank you in advance.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
idaho. and furthermore, debt should be considered if the debt was incurred during the marriage. I just don't understand how paying for an education cannot be seen as a debt on my side
Family Lawyer: Ely, Counselor at Law replied 2 years ago
Thank you.
On this website, I do not always get to give good news, and this is one of these times. I understand that hearing things less than optimal is not easy, and I empathize. Thanks in advance for not "shooting the messenger."
You are right. It is not fair. However, the previous expert is correct. Idaho is a community property state. This means that the property is divided 50/50. Separate property is not part of the division.
The GI bill would have been considered separate property had it not been spent. However, because it was spent, it is no longer an asset to be divided, it does not exist.
Now, what you are asking is essentially: "Can I get credit for giving her my GI bill money? After all, it was my separate property!"
The answer - no. This would be considered a gift from you to her. A gift of your own separate property to her in the form of the GI Bill for her education.
There is little/no case law in Idaho (I have looked) that establishes that the Court must reimburse for such a gift. It was a gift, and the Court will see it as such. I am sorry.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
so if she maxed out one of my credit cards while we were married, would that too be considered a gift? money spent ? no. the debt would exist. just as there is a debt to the remaining months of the GI Bill.
Family Lawyer: Ely, Counselor at Law replied 2 years ago
Hello,
Oops, sorry for the bold font.
so if she maxed out one of my credit cards while we were married, would that too be considered a gift? money spent ? no. the debt would exist. just as there is a debt to the remaining months of the GI Bill.
That is not quite the same thing. A credit card with two authorized users on it would be likely SPLIT between the assets.
A credit card in your name only that she took without your permission, linked to an account with money that was yours prior to marriage - she would likely be ordered to be liable for.
I agree with you that this is not fair. However, no expert is going to tell you what you wish to hear - that she is going to be made to be responsible for the GI Bill. Sometimes, the laws attempt to be fair in all circumstances but do not succeed. Unfortunately, this is not one of these times. I would rather be honest with you.
Gentle Reminder: Please, use the REPLY or SEND button to keep chatting, or rate positively and SUBMIT your rating when we are finished. You may always ask follow ups at no charge after rating.
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