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Kevin> I am curious, I need to run a 200 amp 3 phase

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Hi Kevin> I am curious, I need to run a 200 amp 3 phase subpanel off of a 400 amp main service entrance. I am running about 120 feet away and am curious what size wire to use?
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Submitted: 9 months ago.
Category: Electrical
Customer: replied 9 months ago.
I plan to run 3 environmental chambers and 3 circulator pumps. EC's run on 50Amp 3 phase and circulators run on 30Amp 3 phase. Will 200amp sub panel be sufficient?
Expert:  Kevin replied 9 months ago.

Hello and welcome to Just Answer. My name is ***** ***** I will be happy to assist you with your electrical question.

1) I will need to know the 3-phase supply voltage in order to perform the voltage drop calculation.

Please provide me with the supply voltage? 208 or 240 or 480 three-phase voltage?

2) Will all 3 chambers and pumps be running simultaneously?

3) What is the FLA (Full Load Amps) rating of each chamber and pump?

Customer: replied 9 months ago.
Hi Kevin,Thanks for your help. I can answer two but if you could tell me how to get #3 I would appreciate it.1. It is 480v 3 phase2. It is possible that they could all be running at the same time3. How would I find this?Thanks
Expert:  Kevin replied 9 months ago.

Thank you for the replies.

1) Electrical equipment such as chambers and pumps will have a nameplate rating located somewhere on the equipment. On the nameplate label, the FLA should be shown.

2) A 200 amp sub-panel will require either 2/0 AWG copper or 4/0 AWG Aluminum conductors. The National Electrical Code recommends that the voltage drop be limited to a maximum of 3%.

Using a 480V 3-phase @ 200 amps and at a 120 foot run with 2/0 AWG copper conductors results in a point eight % (.8%) VD or a loss of 3.9 volts. Therefore, 2/0 AWG Copper is code compliant.

Using a 480V 3-phase @ 200 amps and at a 120 foot run with 4/0 AWG Aluminum conductors results in a point seven % (.7%) VD or a loss of 3.5 volts. Therefore, 4/0 AWG aluminum is also code compliant.

3) The equipment grounding conductor needs to be sized as either 6 AWG Copper or 4 AWG aluminum.

Expert:  Kevin replied 9 months ago.

1) A 200 amp sub-panel feeder is going to be an issue if all the equipment will be running simultaneously and will create an overload on the 200 amp 3 pole feeder breaker.

2) The pumps contain an electric motor and I assume the chambers also contain some type of motor or compressor. On any electric motor, the "in-rush" current upon motor start-up must be accounted for. For a few seconds, there is a higher amount of current upon the motor start-up. The NEC requires that the branch circuits be sized at a minimum of 125% of the motor FLA rating in order to accommodate the "in-rush" current.

3) Totaling the three chambers @ 50 amps each and the 3 pumps @ 30 amps each results in a minimum of 150 amps + 90 amps = 240 amps.

Multiply 240 amps by 1.25 = 300 amps.

This is assuming that the FLA ratings are 50 and 30 amps. If the FLA ratings are higher, then obviously the amperage will increase.

Expert:  Kevin replied 9 months ago.

If you have any additional questions, just let me know and I’ll be glad to answer them for you.

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Thanks...............Kevin:)

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