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1999 Dodge 1500 5.2l with no pcm communication,, I have

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unplugged all modules still no...
1999 Dodge 1500 5.2l with no pcm communication,, I have unplugged all modules still no communication... I have continuity from pins 3 and 11 in data connector to pcm. Truck runs but has missfire and check engine light. I have 2.2V on pin 3 and pin 11 at data port.Don I can handle no phone call just email fine.
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Dodge Mechanic: roy, import/domestic specialest replied 2 months ago
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hello, my name is ***** ***** I will be glad to assist you. please allow me a couple of minutes to gather some basic info.

Roy

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Dodge Mechanic: roy, import/domestic specialest replied 2 months ago

ok

do you have power at pin 16 and ground at pin 4??

Roy

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
I do
Dodge Mechanic: roy, import/domestic specialest replied 2 months ago

if you cycle the key on, off 3times and leave it on, will it blink out codes??

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
It will not
Customer reply replied 2 months ago
how much do you know about the bus on number 3 and number 11
Dodge Mechanic: roy, import/domestic specialest replied 2 months ago

sounds like you have a bad pcm.

I doubt it is a power and ground issue as it runs.

you have done all the correct checks and if it wont talk to you then it has failed.

Roy

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
I have already changed the pcm
Dodge Mechanic: roy, import/domestic specialest replied 2 months ago

and programmed it???

it is the serial data line and you have he correct voltage at that line

Roy

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
The other PCM I used was worse..... but I have a question about the bus communication lines
Dodge Mechanic: roy, import/domestic specialest replied 2 months ago

you cannot swap from vehicle to vehicle. you need to program it to your vin number.

what question??

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
I have 2.2V at number 3 and 2.2V at number 11. I know you should read those with labscope will running to see issues. My question with key on engine off I have 2.2V at both terminals. Now the terminals show one as + and one as -, should I have positive voltage at both like I do
Customer reply replied 2 months ago
Thats not correct you can swap dodge pcm,,, I own a shop and have done so MANY MANY times
Customer reply replied 2 months ago
you can even swap 5.2l and 5.9l with no issue,,, now you are correct its great if you have programmed and flashed with updates but not required to run vehicle
Dodge Mechanic: roy, import/domestic specialest replied 2 months ago

I will open this up to other techs

have a great day

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago
eric remington
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can I have vin number please

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
Eric I am closing this ticket and getting refund,,,I had to call identifix hotline for help. I am a shop owner,, and the help here has been sub par to say the least thanks for replying
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
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k sorry was busy

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
No problem thanks
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

did you find the info you needed?

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
Eric, I have spoken with identifix,, I havent fixed it yet,, I was going to cancel this order, but if you think you can help, would be glad chat some
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

have you determined cause of misfire

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

if its a1 cardone throw it in dumpster

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
no, I cant talk to pcm,, I have tried figure that out most of the week, so now im old schooling to just try fix miss and get it out of here before I match it ha. I can give you more history if you want look into
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

is it a spark issue? injector issue? vacuum leak issue? compression issue? sometimes fixing the other problem gives light on the problem you are presently focused on

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

so do you know where all your power and grounds are going to pcm?

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
Not a spark issue, all plugs new and have pulled all wires checked spark, not compression, all inj ohm good,, have good voltage to all inj, could have number 1 and 3 I may need pull and soak tips coulb be plugged. Those cylinders dont change motor when terminals pulled. This code is a hard code, I can clear code through battery disconnect and PCM it comes back instantly when started, I have 5V ref through all sensors
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

ck all auxilary grounds? battery connections what about aldl? is all the power and grounds there? if its not a pcm then its a connection issue

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
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are all injectors firing

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
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all 8 injectors receving pulse grounds? swap injector if injector miss should transfer other cylinder

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

better off used than a1 cardone? where you get computer?

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
all 8 inj fire, all grounds removed and cleaned, additional grounds added for good measure. all grounds and voltage at DLC, I have used two different PCM, that I have on good trucks here.
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
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my 99 Durango had no comm. intermittent no injector pulse intermittent bought used pcm 3 years ago still fine. my girlfriend Honda civic fuel pump took out ecu not providing ground to fuel pump relay obd1 94 two cardone would not start. sent my ecu out for repairs or hers and this place in Indian fixed it almost 3 years ago still runs fine...JUST sayin

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

does old pcm work on those trucks

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

ok arfe you checking those inputs with pcm disconnected? remember ohms law

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
Old pcm works on this truck,, all pcms will start and run this truck but no pcm will talk to scanner. Also do you know this, I can unplugg cam sensor while truck running and it stays running should it do that. Naturally it wont restart with it unplugged
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
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seen that on gm... crank sensor takes over till you get it home light comes on warning you

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

will other truck communicate with your old pcm?

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
will comm with other truck
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

when you take those measurements you need to take them with ecu connected or else its bogus

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

so I will assume that was done so list anything unusual reading wise

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
only unusual i have is I only have 2.2V on sci bus which should read 2.49 to 2.51v. Also I have positive 2.2v on both bus + and Bus- im thinking there is the issue, I dont think I should have voltage on bus- when taken to ground, but know on e can answer defiativ;ey
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

like checking a window motor circuit with connector removed test light might light up may show 12 volts but is there enough amps. so you hook it up and the test light is real dim now....cause the switch is bad but you told customer it was the motor and them motor is in the car and its new and it don't work...cause the switch is bad

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

just sayyin...don't want to get into a super DEEP PROBLEM when its a simple problem like a bad connection at fuse box or in ladl or you aren't getting enough current to pcm or there is a bad ground somewhere so double check...have chased my tail in circles many many times

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
I know grounds good,, I guess I need pull up pin outs to pcm for voltage check voltages at PCM for strength
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

so its not a can issue...don't think that happened much back in 99 did it....but you did disconnect other modules?

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

yes always check under load

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
I have disconnected ALL moduels and All sensors at one time or another
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

no mice infestation lol

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

if u got vin ive got Mitchell schematics sometimes schematics have errors got alldata too

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
I wish mice,, give min ill send
Customer reply replied 2 months ago
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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

c​an you communicate with it if you disconnect crANK SENSOR

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

ARE ALL SENSORS GETTING THEIR FIVE VOLTS ETC

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

disconnect 1 sensor at a time and see if communication restored start with crank

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

according to this vin its a 98 not that it probably matters

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

u don't have a drb doubt if make a difference just leaving no stoned unturned...here is a software update

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
I have semi semi I say found problem. The twisted wire pair bus wires, from pcm to fuse panel check ok, but with wires removed from panel , they both short to ground from fuse panel to interior, and all modules are unplugged.
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

last but not least every fuse in every fuse box ck both sides of fuse with test light and all good..u don't have to answer that

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

can u supply with alternate power source

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

schematics

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

specific tests related to your scenario

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Customer reply replied 2 months ago
problem is in dash there is a small junction where all bus + and - meet, with all modules unplugged two have 10v and they shouldnt, a white one has 10 and purple has ten I cut those hoping that would put me ok,, that didnt do it..... this thing doesnt have overhead console so inside I have central timer unplugged instrument radio airbag and abs,, so I dont know how 10 volts could be on these. No way to trace with out pulling dash
Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

a cluster #$%# lol

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
 replied 2 months ago

shouldn't be too hardr

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Dodge Mechanic: eric remington,
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thanks for choosing Just Answer

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