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03 grandcarevan, start runs, then...
03 grandcarevan, start runs, then stalls. getting fire and full. whats cause.
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
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Gooood afternoon, my name is Ed. Welcome to JustAnswer!. Ooof, it starts and dies? That's a category that can go a number of directions. I'll need to bother you with some questions...
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Did your van die while driving at some point to start this issue?Or did it just fail to start and stay running one day? It would help to know if you have any codes stored and this particular model year offers a customer-read feature for pulling trouble codes without a scan tool.To get codes, roll the key from off to on (LOCK to RUN) three times within five seconds, leaving the key ON after the last key cycle.Watch the odometer as it switches to code display, showing all codes in P-code format (ex. P0123).You will see a "P-done" or simply "done" message at the end of the process whether any codes were stored or not. This tells you that YES, the process had initiated and completed. I'll stop there for now. Talk shortly!
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
it has a p1193 cod
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
1193. Right back, that one doesn't ring a bell.
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Ah... P1193 reads :Intake Air Temp Sensor Circuit High. It's easily set if you happen to unplug the sensor on the air cleaner duct between the engine and the air cleaner. It'll turn the CHECK ENGINE light on, but won't cause this sort of problem.
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Does your Caravan use the grey colored ignition key? The one with an immobilizer chip in it?
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
If so, do you have a spare? Give it a try and let me know if it does the trick.A red dot will be flashing in the instrument cluster when the engine stalls if it's an immobilizer problem.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
no, what is enhanced DTC, KEY IS BLACK.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Black key.... no immobilizer.I'm not sure what you're asking about enhanced DTC.
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Anyway, back to the stalling problem... How long does it run each time you start it? Is it consistent in its run time before stalling?Does it seem rough or unusually low on power during the time it does run?
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Can you keep it running longer by using throttle input? Pumping the gas.... holding the accelerator open?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
AND YES IT DIED WHILE DRIVING, THEN IT STRATED 3 MORE TIME THEN NOTHING, TOW IT HOME IT STATED. IT STARTS RIGHT NOW, RUNS FOR ABOUT 3-4 MINUETS. DTC IS WHAT SHOW UP ON MY SCANNER .
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
NO IT RUNS NORMAL ALMOST LIKE NOTHING IS WRONG THEN IT DIES
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
3-4 minutes? That's longer than I expected somehow. So it runs OK, then quits. Does it restart immediately?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I HAVE NOT TRY THAT, JUST LET IT IDLE. YES IT DID STARED RIGHT AWAY THAT SOME TIMES AND OTHER IT TOOK A LITTLE LONG.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Let's see... You said it died while driving... restarted/ died three times... then NOTHING. Did the starter even engage to crank the engine after that third time? Did it crank but not fire, or did it fail to even crank?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
IT CRANK, NO START
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
IT STARTED WHEN GOT IT HOME AFTER TOW.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Thanks. I warned you about the questions... :) WHEN IT DIES... Does it shut off suddenly as if you just turned the key off?Or does it sputter and weaken before stalling?I know it's splitting hairs, but this will often tell me whether it's a fuel or electrical problem.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
IT JUST STALLS LIKE IF I TURN THE KEY OFF.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Dang, that sounds electronic and we aren't generating any useful trouble codes.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
WHAT TYPE OFF ELECTRONIC WE TALKING ABOUT HERE
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
I'd be suspicious of a cam or crank sensor at this point, but it may also be a harness short of some kind. Cam and crank sensors are two of your main inputs for engine operation, used for spark and injector timing. Loss of either one will kill the engine instantly, but usually will set a code. When no codes are present, the problem may be that one of the sensors is shorting internally, taking the 8v power feed that it shares with the OTHER sensor down. With neither sensor showing a signal, the PCM (engine controller) doesn't know that the engine is turning, so it doesn't set a code.
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Let's take a look at some wiring first.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
OK
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
On the passenger side of the engine, near the top-center (and in the belt area) is where the cam sensor pigtail hangs out. It sometimes gets tangled up with the serpentine/ accessory belt and gets cut, shredding the wires in the pigtail. The loose copper sometimes shorts together, taking that all-important 8v circuit down and killing the engine. See if there might be some wiring within reach of the belt.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
OK BE RIGHT BACK.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
It'll be right below the air cleaner duct that I mentioned earlier (and the IAT sensor)
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
OK
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
NO, IT LOOK OK, I CHECK FOR PASS CODE AN NOTHING NO CODES FOUND. ITS RUNNING RIGTH NOW ITS BEEN ABOUT 3 MIN. STILL RUNNIG.
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
IT JUST DIE, ABOUT 5 - 6 MIN. RUNNING
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Thanks.Hey, do you keep track of your miles between tank fillups? If so, check it out for me if it's been a while since you stopped for gas.Fuel gauges are sometimes inaccurate on these models, showing 1/4 or even 1/2 when bone-dry. I'd expect the engine to sputter and lose power if it ran out of gas with the engine hot, but not when cold. That's because a hot engine will boil the gas that's sitting in the injector rail, temporarily propping system pressures up. Later, when it's cool, it'll shut off much quicker, almost like the key was turned off. Did it sputter at all that first time (or 3) when it stalled out? Is it restarting now that it just quit again?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
THE GAS GAUGE IS IN THE SAME SPOT WHEN I LEFT YERTARDAY WHEN THE ISSUE STARTED. ONLY JUST BEFORE THE FIRST TIME IT STALL DID IT SPLURTER A LITTLE BIT. JUST THAT TIME , CANT TELL U ABOUT MILEAGE. NOT SURE WHE SHE PUT GAS IN IT LAST ITS GOT JUSTN OVER HALF A TANK.
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
AND NO ITS NOT RESTARING.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Thanks again.Oooooooooo. I do like it when they stay broken.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
LOL, NOT ME.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Give it a good 10-15 seconds of continuous cranking while it's still dead. Then recheck codes. I know.. but it's so SO much easier to fix when the problem stops hiding!
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
I'm hoping the long crank sequence will inspire the self diagnostics to sort out which sensor is missing.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
SORRY NO CODES , JUST THAT P1193
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
WOULD THE TROTTLE BODY CONTROL HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. JUST ASKING. SO IT ON LINE.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Did you notice whether that little sensor on the intake air duct was plugged in?I ask because it's an issue of whether the PCM is retaining memory after each stalling event or it's simply generating a new 1193 each time.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I STILL HAVE IT UNPLUG.
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I HAVE THE AIR COVER OFF.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
I wouldn't expect the throttle body to be involved because you can't keep it running even with throttle input. It might have some lift-throttle stalling issues related to the TB, but when it won't start at all.... not so much. OK, let's plug that sensor in.Hey, can you talk to the van with your scanner when it's dead?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I CAN ONLY ENTER THE VEHICLES IM WORKING ON. I CAN TALK TO IT BUT IT WONT LISEN TO ME. LOL . GOING TO PUT AIR COVER BACK ON.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Just plug the sensor in if that's possible.
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
And leave the air cleaner off for now.
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Do you have a digital voltmeter by chance? We might need to take some readings from the cam sensor (the one on the air cleaner side of the engine).
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
NO , NO VOLTMETER
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
oh by the way its not starting know. just thought I tell u that
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
OK.If the intake air temp sensor is plugged in, check to see if the code is still there.If it is, wait until the next time the engine stalls and then restarts and check again.I'd like to know if the PCM is losing memory when it dies out.
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Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
In the meantime, look for a smaller black wire that connects to the battery clamp at the negative battery post. It's a fairly common source of trouble and if it becomes loose or corroded, it can cause stalling.This wire is below the nut that tightens the cable clamp if your van has it (not all do).
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
there no codes found. I check that. but will again and for that wire.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Oooo. Interesting.If you didn't erase the code, it might have disappeared when the engine died out.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
there 2 wires on the nag. cable, looks tight. no codes popping up now. and still wont star just cranks.
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
really is that possible.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Is it possible that the code erased itself? Yup. That's what happens when the PCM takes a nap, for whatever reason.So, just to be sure... the code is gone and you didn't erase it?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I have too go pick my daugtar up. it be a wile before I get back. how do I get back to you. even if it is tomorrow. yes I did erase it. but would it pop back on past codes reading.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Just post back here and I'll keep an eye out for you.
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I had codes of Evap on there and those are gong too.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
If you erase one code, you'll erase 'em all. Were those codes all that you ever saw? Some evap and intake air temp codes?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
just got home from work. are u there. the evap code is for a low leak.
Dodge Mechanic: Dodgerench, ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
Wow... that didn't take long to re-set! Is the van in running condition right now?
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Test
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