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Older 246 cat while driving the parking brake comes on put not all the time

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Cat 246 rubber tire skid steer s # 5sz02552

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Yes replaced the park switch adjusted the arm and got off the seat the parking brake doesnt go on drive it around one day its fine then it does it

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Please check your seat switch. That is a common issue for the parking brake to randomly engage.

If that is not the issue, check for corrosion on the fuses or loose/damage connectors that cause a loss of power to the ECM or the fuses.

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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
I will check all that were is the parking brake Solinoid
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago
Hello,

Please note, the questions are assigned to the first expert that can respond. It will stay with me unless you OPT-OUT my responses. I work out in the field during the day and answer questions at night. I hope this is not too much of an inconvenience for you.

See the image below, the parking brake solenoid is item #7 on the interlock manifold.

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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
I thought it was # 1
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago

(1) Interlock manifold valve. (2) The speed sensing pressure tap. (3) Check valve. (4) Modulating valve for the auxiliary circuit. (5) Modulating valve for the auxiliary circuit. (6) Parking brake solenoid. (7) Hydrostatic joystick control. (8) Work tool joystick control. 

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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
I did find corrosion on the relays in the bottom of the fuse box
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago

Sorry, You are right. The #6 is the parking brake solenoid.

My bad, hope it did not cause any problems.

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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
The ecu gets it ground on the floor plat it's rusted very bad so I ran a new groundI put 3 new relays in after cleaning the fuse box it's hard to see if they see getting a good connection
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago

The external wire is just for a secondary ground. The main grounds are black wires marked 200 to 209. Higher numbers are often "floating" grounds.

The relays are for the auxiliary controls for most machines. The ECM is the relay for many of the interlock functions.

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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
I really got to get this fixed it costing a lot of money every day
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago

Should I OPT-OUT of the question so others during the day may help you?

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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
No I just need help getting it done
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago

Ok, thanks. Let's start with the common issues.

Do you have any flashing lights that come on when this problem appears?

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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
No just the parking brake comes on flip the switch drive on
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago

Did you test the seat switch?

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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
You can jump up and down on the seat parking brake doesn t come on but raise the arm about 2 inches and the parking brake comes on
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago

Some try a jumper wire in the seat harness connector for a troubleshooting test. This would eliminate a defective switch that is loosing connection.

I have two other test that may help locate the problem.

If these tests point to the ECM, try the test again and check for corroded connectors just to be safe. I doubt this is an ECM issue but, it is possible.

See below.

Switch (Parking Brake) Test

Test Step 1. CHECK FOR PROPER OPERATION

  1. Occupy the seat.

  1. Place the armrest in the DOWN position.

  1. Turn the key start switch to the ON position.

  1. Press and release the parking brake switch.

Expected Result:

The parking brake indicator should be off.

Results:

  • OK - The parking brake indicator is off.

    Repair: There is no problem at this time.

    Stop.

  • NOT OK - The parking brake indicator is on and the armrest indicator is off. Proceed to Test Step 2.

  • NOT OK - The parking brake indicator is on and the armrest indicator is flashing.

    Repair: See Troubleshooting, "Armrest Indicator Is Flashing".

    Stop.

  • NOT OK - The parking brake indicator is flashing.

    Repair: The parking brake indicator is not working properly. See Troubleshooting, "Parking Brake Indicator Is Flashing".

    Stop.

Test Step 2. CHECK THE PARKING BRAKE SWITCH

  1. Turn the key start switch to the OFF position.

  1. Remove the parking brake switch.

  1. Disconnect the wire harness from the switch.

  1. Press the switch.

  1. Measure the resistance from terminal 2 to terminal 3 of the parking brake switch.

Expected Result:

The resistance should be less than 5 Ohms.

Results:

  • OK - The resistance is less than 5 Ohms. Proceed to Test Step 3.

  • NOT OK - The resistance is not less than 5 Ohms.

    Repair: The parking brake switch has failed. Replace the parking brake switch.

    Stop.

Test Step 3. CHECK THE CIRCUIT FOR THE PARKING BRAKE SWITCH

  1. Jumper wire F780-PK to wire 201-BK in the wire harness for the parking brake switch.

  1. Raise the cab. See Operation and Maintenance Manual, "Cab Tilting".

  1. Locate the Interlock ECM. The interlock ECM is located on the back side of the cab. The cab must be in the RAISED position in order to get to the ECM.

  1. Disconnect the wire harness from the ECM.

  1. Measure the resistance from contact 42 to contact 3 (wire F780-PK to wire 201-BK) on the wire harness connector.

Expected Result:

The resistance should be less than 5 Ohms.

Results:

  • OK - The resistance is less than 5 Ohms.

    Repair: The ECM is very unlikely to have failed. Reconnect all connections and visually inspect the wire harness. Verify that the diagnostic code still exists. If the diagnostic code still exists perform the Test Steps again.Replace the ECM, if the cause of the diagnostic code was not found after the second attempt. See Testing and Adjusting, "Electronic Control Module (ECM) - Replace".

    Stop.

  • NOT OK - The resistance is greater than 5 Ohms.

    Repair: The wire harness has an open. Repair the wire harness and/or the connector or replace the wire harness and/or the connector.

    Stop.

Solenoid Valve (Parking Brake) Does Not Function Correctly

System Operation Description:

The parking brake solenoid has no diagnostics for checking for faults in the system. The solenoid will NOT be energized when there is an open circuit or a short to ground. If the parking brake solenoid is shorted to the +battery the solenoid will be ON all the time.

Test Step 1. CHECK FOR HYDROSTATIC OPERATION

  1. Occupy the seat.

  1. Lower the armrest.

  1. Turn the key start switch to the ON position.

  1. Press and release the parking brake switch.

Expected Result:

The hydrostatic system should energize.

Results:

  • OK - The hydrostatic system energizes. Proceed to Test Step 2.

  • NOT OK - The hydrostatic system does NOT energize.

    Repair: See Troubleshooting, "Switch (Parking Brake)".

    Stop.

Test Step 2. CHECK VOLTAGE AT THE SOLENOID VALVE WITH KEY SWITCH OFF

  1. Turn the key start switch to the OFF position.

  1. Locate the parking brake solenoid under the cab.

  1. Disconnect the parking brake solenoid from the electrical connector.

  1. Measure the voltage across the two contacts of the harness connector (A958-WH and 202-BK).

Expected Result:

The voltage should be less than 2 DCV.

Results:

  • OK - The voltage is less than 2 DCV. Proceed to Test Step 3.

  • NOT OK - The voltage is greater than 2 DCV.

    Repair: The wire harness is shorted to a + battery circuit. Repair the wire harness or replace the wire harness.

    Stop.

Test Step 3. CHECK VOLTAGE AT THE SOLENOID VALVE WITH KEY SWITCH ON

  1. Turn the key start switch to the ON position.

  1. Measure the voltage across the two contacts of the harness connector (A958-WH and 202-BK).

Expected Result:

Voltage should be less than 2 DCV.

Results:

  • OK - The voltage is less than 2 DCV. Proceed to Test Step 4.

  • NOT OK - The voltage is greater than 2 DCV. Proceed to Test Step 6.

Test Step 4. CHECK THE VOLTAGE AT THE SOLENOID VALVE WHILE THE KEY SWITCH IS ON AND THE PARKING BRAKE IS RELEASED

  1. Turn the key start switch to the ON position. Press and release the parking brake switch.

    Note: Two people will need to perform this procedure. One person will need to be sitting in the seat with the armrest in the DOWN position.

  1. Measure the voltage across the two contacts of the harness connector (A958-WH and 202-BK).

Expected Result:

The voltage should be greater than 10 DCV.

Results:

  • OK - The voltage is greater than 10 DCV. Proceed to Test Step 5.

  • NOT OK - The voltage is less than 10 DCV. Proceed to Test Step 7.

Test Step 5. CHECK RESISTANCE OF THE SOLENOID

  1. Measure the resistance between the two wires of the parking brake solenoid.

Expected Result:

The resistance should be 10 ± 2 Ohms.

Results:

  • OK - The resistance is 10 ± 2 Ohms.

    Repair: The problem does NOT appear to be electrically related.

    Stop.

  • NOT OK - The resistance is NOT 10 ± 2 Ohms.

    Repair: The solenoid has failed. Replace the solenoid.

    Stop.

Test Step 6. CHECK THE WIRE HARNESS FOR A SHORT CIRCUIT

  1. Locate the Interlock ECM.

  1. Disconnect the wire harness.

  1. Turn the key start switch to the ON position.

  1. Check the resistance from contact 13 of the wire harness to the following contacts: contact 1, contact 11, contact 24, contact 29, contact 62 and contact 70.

Expected Result:

The resistances should be above 2 Ohms.

Results:

  • OK - The resistance readings are above 2 Ohms.

    Repair: The ECM is unlikely to fail. Terminate this procedure and restart the procedures. Verify all the readings.

    Stop.

  • NOT OK - One or more resistance readings are below 2 Ohms.

    Repair: The wire harness has failed. Repair the wire harness or replace the wire harness.

    Stop.

Test Step 7. CHECK THE WIRE HARNESS FOR CONTINUITY

  1. Turn the key start switch to the OFF position.

  1. Connect a jumper wire between wires A958-WH and 202-BK on the wire harness at the end of the parking brake solenoid.

  1. Locate the Interlock ECM.

  1. Disconnect the wire harness.

  1. Check the resistance between pin 13 and pin 66 of the wire harness.

Expected Result:

The resistance should be less than 2 Ohms.

Results:

  • OK - The resistance is less than 2 Ohms.

    Repair: The ECM is very unlikely to have failed. Reconnect all connections and visually inspect the wire harness. Verify that the diagnostic code still exists. If the diagnostic code still exists perform the Test Steps again.Replace the ECM, if the cause of the diagnostic code was not found after the second attempt. See Testing and Adjusting, "Electronic Control Module (ECM) - Replace".

    Stop.

  • NOT OK - The resistance is greater than 2 Ohms.

    Repair: The wire harness has failed. Repair the wire harness or replace the wire harness.

    Stop.


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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
It is ok then if it rains or if it's a cold wet morning it does it
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago

That could easily be a loose or damaged connector or bare wires that are shorting out. The ECM is on the back of the cab on this model which should keep it out of most wet conditions.

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Customer reply replied 9 months ago
It's under the plate under your feet
Mechanic: catmastertech, Technician replied 9 months ago

Testing is different too.

Test Step 1. CHECK FOR PROPER OPERATION

  1. Occupy the seat.

  2. Place the armrest in the DOWN position.

  3. Turn the key start switch to the ON position.

  4. Press and release the parking brake switch.

Expected Result:

The parking brake indicator should be off and the auxiliary hydraulics should be enabled.

Results:

  • OK - The parking brake indicator is off and the auxiliary hydraulics are enabled.

    Repair: There is no problem at this time.

    STOP

  • OK - The parking brake indicator is off and the auxiliary hydraulics are not enabled. Proceed to Test Step 2.

  • NOT OK - The parking brake indicator is on.

    Repair: See Troubleshooting, RENR2864, "Switch (Parking Brake)".

    STOP

  • NOT OK - The parking brake indicator is on and the armrest indicator is flashing.

    Repair: See Troubleshooting, RENR2864, "Armrest Indicator Is Flashing".

    STOP

  • NOT OK - The parking brake indicator is flashing.

    Repair: The parking brake indicator is not working properly. See Troubleshooting, RENR2864, "Parking Brake Indicator Is Flashing".

    STOP

Test Step 2. CHECK THE STATUS OF THE SWITCH

  1. Press and hold the parking brake switch.

  2. Observe the status on the Caterpillar ET.

  3. Release the switch.

  4. Observe the status on the Caterpillar ET.

Expected Result:

The switch status should have changed from the "CLOSED" status to the "OPEN" status.

Results:

  • OK - The status of the switch changed from the "CLOSED" status to the "OPEN" status.

    Repair: The ECM is very unlikely to have failed. Reconnect all connections and visually inspect the wire harness. Verify that the values that are present on the machine configuration screen match the machine's options. Verify that the values that are present on the machine configuration screen are installed correctly. Verify that the diagnostic code still exists. If the diagnostic code still exists perform the test steps again.

    Replace the ECM, if the cause of the diagnostic code was not found after the second attempt. See Testing and Adjusting, "Electronic Control Module (ECM) - Replace".

    STOP

  • NOT OK - The switch status did not change from the "CLOSED" status to the "OPEN" status. Proceed to Test Step 3.

Test Step 3. CHECK THE SWITCH CIRCUIT

  1. Remove the floorplate in order to get to the ECM.

  2. Remove the wire harness from the ECM.

  3. Press and hold the switch.

  4. Measure the resistance from contact 3 to contact 45 of the wire harness connector.

Expected Result:

The resistance should be less than 5 Ohms.

Results:

  • OK - The resistance is less than 5 Ohms.

    Repair: The ECM is very unlikely to have failed. Reconnect all connections and visually inspect the wire harness. Verify that the values that are present on the machine configuration screen match the machine's options. Verify that the values that are present on the machine configuration screen are installed correctly. Verify that the diagnostic code still exists. If the diagnostic code still exists perform the test steps again.

    Replace the ECM, if the cause of the diagnostic code was not found after the second attempt. See Testing and Adjusting, "Electronic Control Module (ECM) - Replace".

    STOP

  • NOT OK - The resistance is greater than 5 Ohms.

    Repair: The circuit is open in the wire harness and/or the connector between the interlock ECM and the auxiliary hydraulic ECM. Repair the wire harness and/or the connector or replace the wire harness and/or the connector.

    STOP

If you have some one with CAT ET, they can connect to the auxiliary ECM and see if it is logging codes and test the switch status as described in the testing info.

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