JCB 3C111 engine very hard to turn over by hand. 1978 JCB 3C111 is all I know, no other id on the machine. I took the

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Customer: JCB 3C111 engine very hard to turn over by hand
JA: What is the complete model and serial number of your machine?
Customer: 1978 JCB 3C111 is all I know, no other id on the machine
JA: Are you fixing this yourself? What have you tried so far?
Customer: I took the fuel injectors out, removed the rocker box cover, all valves seem free as I pushed down on the top of the valves, squirted red X down the pistons through the injector holes used stillsons on c.v joint between engine and hyd pump, had to put scaffold pole on Stillsons and push very hard , but engine turns over
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Answered by wtolkson in 15 mins 2 years ago
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Hi, I'm Wayne.

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Hello Wayne, I have a JCB 3C111 which will not start, I have not started it for 5 years (due to illness) but was fine up until then, it is also kept outside in the open. The only info a have on the JCB is that it is a 3C111 1978 manual, no other id on the machine. As I mentioned at the start the JCB will not start, I tried turning it over by hand, but solid. So I took the fuel injectors out, removed the rocker box cover, all valves seem free as I pushed down on the top of the valves, squirted red X down to the pistons through the injector holes used Stillsons on c.v joint between the engine and hyd pump, I had to put scaffold pole on Stillsons and push very hard , and the engine turns over, but very hard to do so. I can hear the pistons going up and down, and see the valve gear operating, but engine too stiff to start off the starter motor.
Any suggestions, please?
Customer
I prefer email as I fear it's scrap, and don't wish to waste money on it.

Hi,

Thank you for the response.

Sorry for the delay, I was called out.

OK, now I see what you are saying.

Well, I would say the piston is frozen to the walls of the cylinders.

Or the hydraulic pump is frozen. I suggest disconnect the pump from the engine and go from there.

See if it is the pump or the engine. I suggest pouring -34 oz of diesel fuel in the cylinders

let soak and see if that helps free it up.

I hope this helps you.

Wayne

Hi,

Thank you very kindly for the 5 stars..........

Wayne

Customer
Hi Wayne, I did what you said ie pour diesel down the barrels, let it soak. It did make it slightly easier to turn over, so I done the same again. I have done it 3 times now, I still need a pair of 18" Stillson's and a 3' scaffold pole to turn it over, but it is easier to turn over, still very tight in one position, but once past that position I can turn the engine over sitting down not standing up with my full weight behind me, still using the Stillson's and scaffold pole. Any more suggestions please, I did try the starter motor, but it stops dead.
Regards
Steve

Hi Steve,

I am offline now but do check in at times.

You are going to need to bite the bullet and pull the pistons out and clean the cylinder bores.

Wayne

Customer
Thanks Wayne, I thought so :-( I'll see how much I can get for scrap:-/ Happy days, and thanks again
Regards
Steve

HI,

You are very welcome..............

Stay safe and healthy!!!

Wayne

Customer
Hi Wayne, do you know if I can drop the sump and pull the pistons out, without having to remove the engine? I can then change the pistons, or just new rings, clean the bores, replace big ends if needed etc etc
Your thoughts
Steve

Morning Steve.

Yes, remove the oil sump and head and pop the pistons out.

May have to jack the engine up 2-3 inches to get sump off.

Wayne

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