The engine would not start The rod from governor was not moving rack Put a used governor on Rod to rack is moving

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Customer: The engine would not start
The rod from governor was not moving rack
Put a used governor on
Rod to rack is moving
Cranked but flooded
Disconnected rod to rack
Runs fine when manually work rack
Is there any adjustment to correct the problem
Answered by Daniel Wilson in 6 hours 3 years ago
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Your 3116 needs to have the full synchronization procedure done which requires special dial indicators and tools to complete. You have to set control rack properly. If you do not have the injector synchronization tools, I recommend having somebody synchronize and do this for you as it's likely not even worth investing into the tools when you can just have somebody that knows the proper way to synchronize the rack and injectors.

Customer
Would changing to governor get the rack out of sync
Customer
It only has the one connection to the rack

What is your engine serial number prefix or in other words first three letters and numbers?

Use this procedure to determine if the governor is responsible for any of the following problems:

  • Rough running

  • Hunting

  • Surging

  • Idle instability

  1. Determine the high idle rpm and record the rpm for future reference. Refer to Technical Marketing Information (TMI).

  1. Remove the oil supply line from the rear of the governor. Check the screen at the oil inlet for plugging. Clean the screen, if necessary.

Illustration 1

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(1) Cover

(2) Dashpot adjustment screw

(3) Rear cover assembly

  1. Remove cover (1) from the rear of the governor.

  1. The dashpot adjustment screw has an orifice in the center. Determine if the orifice in the dashpot adjustment screw (2) is plugged or if the screw has backed out. Clean the orifice with a 0.05 mm (0.002 inch) or smaller wire, if necessary. Reinstall the adjustment screw. Tighten the adjustment screw. Stake the adjustment screw in order to secure the screw. Do not use thread lock compound to secure the adjustment screw. If the problem is not resolved, proceed to Step 5.

  1. Remove rear cover assembly (3) from the governor.

Illustration 2

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(4) spring/">Spring seat

  1. Remove the governor spring seat (4). Add one shim onto the front side of the spring seat. Reassemble the governor. Operate the engine at low idle in order to determine if the problem has been resolved. If the problem is still present, add an additional shim and check the engine performance again. If the problem is resolved, operate the engine until the normal operating temperature is reached. Reset the low idle and reset the high idle. If the problem is not resolved proceed to the Step 7.

Note: A maximum of three shims may be installed.

Illustration 3

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(5) Shutoff Assembly

  1. Check the serial number from the Governor Information Plate. If the serial number for the governor is less than 100,000, install an improved shutoff assembly (5). Refer to Service Manual, SENR6454, "3114, 3116 & 3126 Engine Governors".

  1. Check the governor for the following conditions:

    • Servo that is binding

    • Tight pivot shaft in the bearing block

    • Swivel that is binding

    • Sleeve that is binding

    • Plugged oil passages to the servo piston

Replace the governor if repairs do not resolve the problem and all other systems have been thoroughly checked.

Customer
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Customer
I did not get the illustrations

The illustrations will not post to the page unfortunately.

Customer
I have read everything you sent online
I would like to speak with someone familiar with the engine to find out if there is a simple adjustment between the rack and governor
The shaft from the governor is moving
The truck runs fine when it is disconnected and operated manually so I feed everything you sent has nothing to do with my issue
Customer
Feel
Customer
This is what I need to know about
Valve cover should be pulled if you install a reman , anyways to set the F.L. spec, with dial indicator and CAT tooling (otherwise you are just guessing that the new reman governor unit is adjusted correctly to the rack and its injectors)

I am mobile at the moment but when I get back to my office I will pull up some more information for you.

Customer
Hi

Usage:

322B L 1AS 322B L 1BS 3116 1CK IT38G 1CW 45 1DR 213B 1EJ CS-583 1EL 574 1FM RT100 1GJ RT801GJ 325B L 1GS AP-1000 1HD 325B L 1HS AP-1050 1JG IT28F 1JL IT12B 1KF 938F 1KM 561M 1KW 31161NJ 539 1PZ 910E 1SF 910F 1SF 3116 1SK CS-563D 1SZ 320 L 1TL 320B 1XS CP-563 1YJ 960F 1YM 322B L 1YS 3114 1ZG 3126 1ZJ 322B LN 1ZS 120H 2AN 320B N 2AS 918F 2CK CS-583D 2CZ 963C 2DS 322B L 2ES 3114 2FG 325 L 2JK 325B L 2JR 950G 2JS 950F II 2LM 3116 2MR E240C 2RL 938F 2RM D6M2RN CS-563D 2RZ 3116 2SG 325 LN 2SK

Table 1

Required Tools

Part Number Part Description Qty

1U-7299 Rack Adjusting Wrench 1

1U-7300 Hex Wrench 1

1U-7431 Adjusting Tool 1

  1. Install the governor on the governor calibration bench. Refer to the Testing and Adjusting, "Installation of Governor On 1U-7326 Governor Calibration Bench " section of this manual for more information.

 

  1. Verify the position of the throttle lever. Refer to the Testing and Adjusting, "Throttle Lever Orientation (Types IV, V, VI, VII, and Some III) - Check" section of this manual for more information.

 

  1. If the throttle lever was positioned properly, proceed with Step 4. If the throttle lever was not positioned properly, refer to the Testing and Adjusting, "Throttle Lever (Types IV, V, VI, VII, and Some III) - Install" section in this manual for more information.

Illustration 1g00521611

Dual Horsepower Mechanism ( Type VII)

(1) Setscrew

(2) Oil gallery

(3) Seal

(4) Spring

(5) Piston Assembly

(6) Valve cavity

Illustration 2g00860886

(A) Access hole

(7) Hole for the adjusting tool

Note: Do not connect an oil supply line to the dual horsepower mechanism when the following procedure is performed. Make sure that the setscrew for the dual horsepower mechanism is removed.

  1. Thread the adjusting tool into hole (7) that is for the dual horsepower setscrew (1). The low horsepower setting will be fully engaged when the setscrew bottoms out in hole (7) .

 

  1. Remove the plug from access hole (A) for the load stop. Loosen the low idle adjustment screw. Loosen the throttle stop adjustment screw. Both screws should be backed out so the end of the screw is not extending past the face of the governor housing.

 

  1. Connect the spring that holds the throttle against the throttle stop.

 

  1. Use a 1U-7299 Rack Adjusting Wrench and a 1U-7300 Hex Wrench to loosen the adjustment screw for the load stop. Loosen the adjustment screw for the load stop until the screw is backed out completely.

 

  1. Turn the power switch on the calibration bench to the ON position.

 

  1. Adjust the speed of the calibration bench to the "LOAD STOP ADJ" rpm that is specified in the TMI. Check the output dimension for the "LOAD STOP ADJ" that is specified in the TMI.

 

  1. Tighten the locknut on the adjustment screw for the load stop and check the "LOAD STOP ADJ" dimension again.

 

  1. Increase the speed of the calibration bench by a minimum of 100 rpm. Then reduce the speed back to the original "LOAD STOP ADJ" rpm. Check the output dimension for the "LOAD STOP ADJ" again. If the dimension is not within the tolerance that is specified in the TMI, repeat Step 9.

 

  1. Adjust the speed of the calibration bench to the "FUNC CHECK #2" rpm that is specified in the TMI. Output must be within specifications.

 

  1. Remove the 1U-7431 Adjusting Tool from the dual horsepower mechanism and install the dual horsepower setscrew.

 

  1. Use a 1U-7299 Rack Adjusting Wrench and a 1U-7300 Hex Wrench to loosen the high horsepower setscrew. Loosen the high horsepower setscrew until the screw is backed out completely.

 

  1. With the governor in high horsepower mode, complete all of the other governor adjustments. These adjustments include the high horsepower setscrew adjustment, the low idle screw adjustment, and the throttle stop screw adjustment. Refer to the Testing and Adjusting, "Governor (Type VII) - Adjust" section for the adjustment procedures.

    Note: Do not adjust the low horsepower setscrew during the high horsepower adjustment procedures. If the low horsepower setscrew is adjusted, the high horsepower setscrew will also need to be adjusted

Click the link below and also the one above. I'm still waiting for your serial number prefix as their is well over a page worth of serial number prefixes for this model engine.

This service manual contains instructions for servicing the 3114, 3116, and 3126 Engine Governors on the 1U-7326 Governor Calibration Bench. The final low idle speed may be adjusted with the governor on the engine. All other adjustments must be performed on this calibration bench.

Illustration 1g00518799

Typical governor information plate

Governor information plate (1) is located on top of the governor. The information plate provides the following information:

  • Serial Number and Type Code

     

  • Group Part Number

     

  • Production Codes

     

The information on governor information plate (1) and the physical appearance of the governor is used to identify the governor. The type code follows the serial number. There are seven different types of governors for the 3114, 3116, and 3126 Engines. The following information will aid in the proper identification of each of the seven types of governors.

Table 1

Governor Identification Chart

Governor Type Type Code Throttle Lever Components

Type I "A" Type I

Type II "B" Type I No Servo, 4 Flyweight's

Type III "C" Type I or II

Type IV "A", "0", "1" Type II

Type V "D" Type II Cast FRC Housing

Type VI (1) "D" Type II Dual Horsepower

Type VII (1) "D" Type II Dual Horsepower

( 1 )Both Type VI and Type VII Governors are variations of the Type V Governor.

Which governor type? For some reason that information did not make it to your question. As you can see there are 7 different types. Your type for MUI or mechanical injectors.

Customer
I will get the numbers
It is a 3116 engine with mechanical injectors
The governor looks like the one you sent in the second picture
I only need information one the one adjustment that can be done with the governor on the engine as described above

All seven of those types above are for mechanical injectors unfortunately. The serial number prefix will be very helpful so I can post the right one out of the seven. I have to do a road call for a few hours today so I will be in and out throughout the day.

Installation of Governor on 1U7326 Governor Calibration Bench... 3114, 3116 and 3126 MUI Engine Governors #i01154203 Caterpillar

Usage:

322B L 1AS 322B L 1BS 3116 1CK IT38G 1CW 45 1DR 213B 1EJ CS-583 1EL 574 1FM RT100 1GJ RT801GJ 325B L 1GS AP-1000 1HD 325B L 1HS AP-1050 1JG IT28F 1JL IT12B 1KF 938F 1KM 561M 1KW 31161NJ 539 1PZ 910E 1SF 910F 1SF 3116 1SK CS-563D 1SZ 320 L 1TL 320B 1XS CP-563 1YJ 960F 1YM 322B L 1YS 3114 1ZG 3126 1ZJ 322B LN 1ZS 120H 2AN 320B N 2AS 918F 2CK CS-583D 2CZ 963C 2DS 322B L 2ES 3114 2FG 325 L 2JK 325B L 2JR 950G 2JS 950F II 2LM 3116 2MR E240C 2RL 938F 2RM D6M2RN CS-563D 2RZ 3116 2SG 325 LN 2SK

Table 1

Required Tools

Part Number Part Description Qty

1U-8869 Dial Indicator 1

9U-5120 Spanner Wrench 1

1U-7326 Governor Calibration Bench 1

1U-7316 Calibration Pin Group 1

6V-6106 Dial Indicator Gp 1

6V-2030 Extension 1

1U-8815 Indicator Contact Point 1

1U-6672 Rack Adjusting Wrench 1

  1. Remove the storage cover and the gasket from the front of the reservoir on the governor calibration bench.

Illustration 1g00656234

Governor Calibration Bench

(1) Drive coupling

Illustration 2g00656286

(2) Inlet fitting for the fuel transfer pump

(3) Outlet fitting for the fuel transfer pump

(4) Fitting for the fuel ratio control

(5) Inlet fitting for the fuel transfer pump from the fuel filter base

  1. Remove the large O-ring seal from the front of the governor. Align the drive coupling on the calibration bench with the governor drive gear by rotating the governor until the two drive pins in drive coupling (1) engage with the governor drive gear.

 

  1. When the drive pins engage with the governor drive gear, rotate the governor in order to align the mounting holes in the governor housing with the mounting holes in the governor calibration bench.

 

  1. To fasten the governor to the calibration bench, use the same bolts and washers that are used to fasten the governor to the engine. If the governor mounting bolts are not available, use three 6V-5218 Bolts with three 9M-1974 Hard Washers .

 

  1. Install fittings (2), (3), and (5) in the governor. Install fitting (4) if the governor is equipped with a fuel ratio control.

Note: Step 6 is optional. If the governor calibration bench can successfully perform the entire procedure, then the fuel transfer pump can remain in position on the governor.

  1. Remove the fuel transfer pump from the governor housing. Refer to the Disassembly and Assembly, "Governor (Type) - Disassemble" section in this manual for additional information.

Illustration 3g00656323

(6) Line from the fuel transfer pump

(7) Line to the sump

(8) Pressure line from the filter base

  1. Connect line (7) from the sump to fitting (3) for the fuel transfer pump outlet.

 

  1. Connect line (8) from the filter base to fitting (5) for the oil inlet on the governor.

 

  1. Connect line (6) from the fuel transfer pump to fitting (2) for the inlet fitting of the fuel transfer pump.

 

  1. If the governor is equipped with a fuel ratio control, connect a regulated air supply (hand pump or squeeze pump) to the fuel ratio control. Turn on the regulated air supply in order to pressurize the fuel ratio control.

    Note: A regulated air supply of 140 to 210 kPa (20 to 30 psi) must be used to avoid damage to the fuel ratio control.

 

  1. Install the pressure gauge that is supplied with the governor calibration bench on the quick disconnect fitting on the filterhousing for the lubricating oil.

    Note: Ensure that the fuel shutoff solenoid is latched in the RUN position. To latch the fuel shutoff solenoid in the RUN position, refer to the Systems Operation, "Fuel Shutoff Solenoid" topic in this manual. If the fuel shutoff solenoid is a nonlatching solenoid, remove the fuel shutoff solenoid with a 9U-5120 Spanner Wrench and plug the opening.

Illustration 4g00656348

(9) Oil collector cup

(10) Bracket

  1. Install oil collector cup (9). Remove bracket (10) from the storage location and install bracket (10) on the calibration bench, as shown.

Illustration 5g00656363

(9) Oil collector cup

(11) Throttle lever

(12) Lever

(13) Typical example of a calibration pin

Illustration 6g00656402

(13) Typical example of a calibration pin

(14) Clevis pin

  1. Install lever (12) on throttle lever (11). Turn throttle lever (11) clockwise in order to move clevis pin (14) away from the governor housing. This movement will permit calibration pin (13) to be installed.

 

  1. Remove the collar from calibration pin (13). Insert the calibration pin through the hole in oil collector cup (9) then into clevis pin (14) of the governor output shaft.

 

  1. Slide the collar over the end of calibration pin (13) until the calibration pin contacts clevis pin (14) .

Illustration 7g00656503

(12) Lever

(13) Typical example of a calibration pin

(15) Spring

(16) Base

  1. Connect one end of spring (15) to the hole in lever (12). Connect the other end of spring (15) to the hole in base (16) for the tachometer.

 

  1. Connect the test bench to an electrical outlet.

 

  1. Turn the switch for the pump to the ON position in order to start the lubricating oil pump. The pressure of the lubricating oil should stabilize at 205 to 275 kPa (30 to 40 psi).

    Note: When the oil pressure is stabilized and the throttle lever is held in the high idle position by spring (15), calibration pin (13) should be in contact with the governor housing.

    Note: When a governor that has been previously adjusted is being checked, calibration pin (13) must contact the governor housing. If calibration pin (13) does not contact the governor housing, the governor must be completely readjusted. Refer to the Testing and Adjusting, "Governor (Type) - Adjust" section in this manual.

Illustration 8g00778778

Typical example of the load stop adjustment screw on Type I, Type II, Type III and Type IV Governors

(17) Load stop adjustment screw

Illustration 9g00656540

Typical example of the load stop adjustment screw on Type V, Type VI and Type VII Governors

(17) Load stop adjustment screw

  1. If calibration pin (13) does not contact the governor housing during the adjustment of a new governor or a rebuilt governor, use a 1U-6672 Rack Adjusting Wrench to turn load stop adjustment screw (17) until calibration pin (13) contacts the governor housing.

Illustration 10g00656610

(10) Bracket

(13) Typical example of a calibration pin

(15) Spring

(18) 6V-6106 Dial Indicator Gp

(19) Screw

  1. Place the 1U-8815 Indicator Contact Point on the stem of the 6V-6106 Dial Indicator Gp (18). Install dial indicator (18) into bracket (10). Adjust the position of bracket (10) so that the contact point on the dial indicator stem is positioned in the center of the clevis pin.

 

  1. Refer to the TMI data for the governor test bench in order to determine the load stop settings for the governor. If the governor load stop settings are 9.00 mm or higher, refer to the Testing and Adjusting, "Setting the Governor Load Stop Dimension for More Than 9.00 mm" topic in this manual.

    Note: The calibration dimension is the reference point for all other adjustments that are performed on the calibration bench. The calibration dimension is normally 8.00 mm (0.315 inch). The initial calibration dimension must be correct. If a governor load stop setting of 9.00 mm (0.354 inch) or greater is required, an alternate calibration method must be performed in order to allow the dial indicator to read the extra travel.

 

  1. Adjust the position of dial indicator (18) on bracket (10) so that the dial indicator reads 8.00 mm (0.315 inch). Tighten screw (19) in order to lock the dial indicator in position. Check the adjustment dimension and adjust the dial indicator, if necessary.

 

  1. When the dial indicator remains at the 8.00 mm (0.315 inch) dimension, rotate the throttle lever clockwise toward the low idle position. Remove calibration pin (13) and the collar.

 

  1. Turn the switch on the pump to the OFF position.

Note: For previously adjusted governors or for field return governors that need to be checked, refer to the appropriate Testing and Adjusting, "Governor (Type) - Check" section of this manual.

Note: If a new governor or a rebuilt governor requires a change of the settings, refer to the appropriate Testing and Adjusting, "Governor (Type) - Adjust" section of this manual.

Customer
If I understand correctly from all the information you are sending if I bought a reman governor I would need to go through all the settings above to install

Yes, that is correct. Anytime you disturb the settings on disassembly or assembly, it needs to be reset unfortunately.

Customer
I talked to someone that is familiar with these engines and knows how to adjust the rod from the governor to the rack and is going to take care of it. Thanks for your coping and pasting
Customer
Guy came and adjusted the idol screw one the rack and had the engine running in 5 minutes

Thanks for the update. Glad to hear that you get this resolved. I provided you information from the manual to give instructions on how to set up your governor.

Customer
I did not need to set the governor
I needed to install a working governor like I kept saying

Glad you got this resolved.

Customer
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