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I have a Cat 420D backhoe with automatic shift transmission…

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I have a Cat 420D backhoe with automatic shift transmission that has plenty of pushing power into piles but won't pull a grade on road. It has boost pressure and fuel pressure. Leaning towards a torque converter or trans issue. Any ideas

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Serial number 420DITBLN13139

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Operator says once in a while it is fine but for most part it is dead on hills and it rpms to 2000

Submitted: 5 years ago.Category: Construction and Road Equipment
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Mechanic: Dan, Technician replied 5 years ago
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Hi my name is***** will be glad to try to help. Let me know what you have for full RPM no load. Then do a hydraulic stall ( HIGH RPM one function deadheaded) Record the RPM... Do the same with just the transmission in 4th gear, forward neutralizer disabled High RPM against the brake and record RPM. Then do both hydraulic and transmission stall at the same time. Record RPM. Let me know the values

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Mechanic: Dan, Technician replied 5 years ago

Remove and inspect the transmission filter for metal/debris indicating an internal failure occurring. Also check the transmission suction screen for debris indicating a problem. Look for discoloration and burnt smell in the oil. Let me know

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Customer reply replied 5 years ago
Hi Dan and thanks for attempting to help me diagnose this thing. Did no load full RPM 2100. Hydraulic stall with lift cylinders full extended 2100. As for a stall test the lever is in 4th but with it being full automatic it is in low gear but runs to 2000. oil smells good haven't pulled filters yet. But as a note it doesn't feel like a slipping clutch or anything like that it rpms but has no power going up small grade on highway and seems to be in 4th gear at that point. Thanks, Paul
Mechanic: Dan, Technician replied 5 years ago

Thanks for the update Paul. Id cut open the filters and have a look at a sample once the excess oil is squeezed out in a vise. If clean the next step is to get some test gauges on this and verify if your pressures are in specs per the shop manual.

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Mechanic: Dan, Technician replied 5 years ago

Hi, Did you get this resolved?

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Customer reply replied 5 years ago
no just spent $1000 for manual which we didn't have and reason I tried this site
Mechanic: Dan, Technician replied 5 years ago

Where are you with this now? Are the pressures in specs? Find any debris in the filter and oil?

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