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89 Tc,no per at coil or fuel pump .jump to coil pos side and

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89 Tc,no per at coil or fuel pump .jump to coil pos side and fuel pump runs
Submitted: 2 years ago.Category: Chrysler
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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
No power at coil or pump.pump works when jumped at coil.coil cold.unknown if coil got power when jumped,no spark while cranking .check engine light and low pill light on while cranking.oil level is perfect.engine cut off while going 10-15 mph .timing belt is on and was replaced 400 miles ago
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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
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It's most likely a bad "auto shutdown relay". Have you replaced it yet?

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago
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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Here is the wiring diagram,

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Did you order a relay?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
hi,did all that befor trying ask me....not the ASD relay.wiyh new relay,.....same.....no power to fuel pump ,efi,or coil.............when i jump coil,,,,12 volts,pumpe comes on.check engine,and low oil comes on while cranking.weve had 12 years ,no problem like this,always serviced,timing belt has 400 miles and totally intact.alsi checked all fusible links next to left shock towe,akk show current before and after joints where soldered together.there is no spark,either while cranking!i can send some pics of fusible areas............frustrating.dont want to leave car at dealer...........
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
i wonder if coils little round surpressor is grounding out the coil?or,is there something in distributor that can ground out ,or cause relay asd to not perform,even when new????
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

remove the auto shut down relay and test the prongs in the socket and let me know if there is voltage there to one prong with the key off..

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
red wire has voltage when off
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Ok, feel if that relay clicks when you turn the key to run.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
green/black wire lights up only when i take connection to hot side battery,no power to green/black with key on RUN position,
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Does the relay click?

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

I think it's either going to end up being the ecm, power to it , a ground or the wiring between it at that relay.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
when i put power to green black i hear a small click tear the turbo area on top..cant reach the both run....ill try this again.......gonna take me 10 minutes to come back to pc......................
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

It appears to be the dark blue/white wire that feeds power to that relay.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
ok,ecm is in distributtor ?electronic control module?
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Yeah, first I need to know if the relay is clicking. I assume it's not but just need to be sure.

If not check for voltage at both ends of that dark blue/white wire when the key is turned to run.

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

No, that is the ignition control module, the ecm (engine control module) is the computer.

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

the ecm might be right next to the battery.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
where is dk blue/white wire..........the relay has #14 green blk,red,,and 2 #16 wires one is light ble and white.....let me know where the dk blue is and if its a #14 or bigger?
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
ok,going to check it out,car is 500 feet from house ,so ill be back,as Arnold says.....................going to recheck "click" and ecm by battery
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

The wires at the relay are dark blue/white not light blue/white.

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Why don't you jump 12 volts to that dark green/black wire for now and drive the vehicle to where you are so you don't have to walk back and forth.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
theres no parking here,but relay does click ign position"run"
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
the green black over rides the whole ecm relay system ,just like its 1969 again?
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

That is good, then you must have a bad dark green/black connection or wire.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
where does green black go to??so if relay clicks,then ecm is good,can i stilloverride cars system by jumping green /black wire?
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Not for now, cause there appears to be a problem with the dark green/black wire. I know you jumped that wire at the coil and something worked, so disconnect that gray wire at the coil, the dark green/black wire at the auto shut down relay and using an ohmmeter see if that wire is open.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
when i put test light from pos batt to green wire,i can hear clicking by the turebo area near injectors,does this mean anything?old asd relay
y does not click..........should i pug in again to check spark.Could ecm still be bad anyway?
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
hi ,when in Run position there is power to the relay wires,both blu white #16 wires have power,yes,gree has no pwereven when relay plugged in ...go figure.......i'll look again.
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

No, don't plug in the old asd relay.

Yes, you have to test for power to that dark green/black wire when the key is on run.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
ok,i'll check that one out,........so,...if there is power to gree/black when on run,but it doesn't start,then what?,................back 15 mins
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

I don't think there is going to be.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
just fyi,when i jumped the pos + coil ,yesterday,again,fuel pimp came on,coil remained cold,not even a little warm ,and car still cranked............no start.that was with new asd relay connected too!
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

I suspect you had no voltage at the fuel injectors too then. They are all spliced together, the coil, the fuel pump and the fuel injectors and they all get their voltage from that asd relay, so you see if either one or all of them don't get voltage then it won't start.

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

So, if you jump voltage to either one, check for voltage to the other 2 and whichever don't have voltage will tell you where the brake in that wire is.

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Although technically speaking you should just test for voltage at that dark green/black wire at that asd relay when the key is on run and after you confirm there is voltage there, confirm at those other 3 spots, the coil, the fuel pump or listen if it runs and the fuel injectors, while the key is on run.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
ok,i'll see.................could be a while....appreciate the help....
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Any news?

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Did you give up for today?

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Do you still need help on this or did you decide to close out this post?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
still need help,and i'll text you when i can do it ,hopefully mon late or tues early,thabnks
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

ok

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Hi,coil is good,green/blk wire seems connected.Where does#12 black wire from battery neg side go?pcm ground? I noticed that my2 relays next to the as d are metal casings......and bolts is way loose.??
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

What do you mean the green/black wire seems to be connected? Don't you have a voltmeter or at least a 12 volt test light? I thought you were already using a voltmeter or test light!

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Tighten them bolts. If you don't have voltage at the dark green/black wire when testing, there is no sense in testing or worrying about grounds, unless you don't have a good ground on the voltmeter/test light. To make sure, ground the tester to the battery negative post, or if you choose to ground it to metal, test the ground by touching the positive battery post with the positive test lead to make sure, before you test anything else.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
the injection are gets power and coil too,so looks like grounding possible,the negative battery connection is wiggly and altered,2 relays are loose,bolt had silicone on it #12 negative post auxiliary grnd blk wire has crappy aluminum wiggly connection
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
After that,maybe look into distributor pick up?....I'll get back to you.I have regular work so can't spend all time fussing with this car....Thx
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

ok

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

The fuel pump is most likely grounded back there near the fuel tank, so if you power up that dark green/black wire and the fuel pump still don't run, that would tell me that depending on what that fuel pump grounds to, either the frame or the body, I would say back near the battery, the negative battery post to the body and/or frame s where that problem is and most likely it will have an affect on other grounds. So, let me know if that fuel pump runs or not when that dark green/black wire does have voltage.

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

Figure it out yet?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Going to look again Saturday.I think it's distributor pick up. .pump works power to injectors,no spark.
Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

How did you finally get power to the fuel pump?

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Chrysler Mechanic: Mike S., ASE Certified Technician replied 2 years ago

After all this time, you are just going to leave me hangin?

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