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ISUZU RODEO: why do I not have 5v on ckp and knock sensors…

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why do I not have 5v on ckp and knock sensors on this 01 rodeo 2.2 a/t fed???
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Auto Mechanic: Juan Crespo, Tech Trainer replied 3 years ago
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Hi there. Welcome to our site. Actually, the CKP is on a separate circuit and does not work with a 5V reference signal. With ignition on, the Green wire at the CKP should have ignition feed voltage (>10V). What is it you're trying to diagnose? A "CRANKS BUT WON'T START" condition?
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Auto Mechanic: Juan Crespo, Tech Trainer replied 3 years ago
It is possible that the engine could be starting so out of time because the timing belt is off or worn and stretched.
Here are the steps to test the CKP and its circuits:
28. Raise and support vehicle. Disconnect Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor connector. Turn ignition on. Using a test light connected to ground, probe ignition feed circuit at CKP sensor harness terminal No. 2 (Green wire). If test light does not illuminate, repair open Green wire. Retest system. If test light illuminates, go to next step.
29. Connect test light between ignition feed circuit at CKP sensor harness terminal No. 2 (Green wire) and ground circuit terminal No. 3 (Black/Red wire). If test light illuminates, go to step 31 . If test light does not illuminate, go to step 32.
30. Check for open or short circuit in Green wire between CKP sensor and PCM. Repair as necessary. Retest system. If problem was not found, go to step 33 .
31. Replace CKP sensor. Retest system. If problem is still present, go to step 34 .
32. Check for open or short circuit in Yellow wire between CKP sensor terminal No. 1 and PCM. If problem was not found, go to next step. If problem was found, repair Yellow wire as necessary.
33. Replace and reprogram PCM.
34. Test for fuel contamination. If fuel is not contaminated, go to next step. If fuel is contaminated, clean fuel system as necessary. Replace fuel filter and verify all fuel injectors are delivering fuel. If problem was not found, go to next step.
35. Check for these possible conditions:
 Faulty camshaft timing belt.
 Leaking or sticking valves or rings.
 Excessive valve deposits.
 Loose or worn rocker arms.
 Weak valve springs.
 Leaking head gasket.
Best Regards.
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
ckp circuit is intact. cmp sensor circuit is intact. I have been through all 5v reference circuits and found no opens nor shorts. PCM has all powers ang grounds. Still, w ckp unplugged, I read 1.4v in and out of pcm to ckp.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
fuel system is clean, new filter and fuel. plenty of pressure. no vacuum leaks. Can not figure out why pcm is not supplying 5v to ckps and have 3 that perform in the same manner
Auto Mechanic: Juan Crespo, Tech Trainer replied 3 years ago
The fact that you say the engine starts with all three PCMs leads me to believe the problem might not be related to either CKP or PCM circuits and instead is due to engine timing being off. If I were you, I would definitely check the timing belt to make sure it's aligned right - I've attached a graphic for you to use as reference if you'd need to. Best Regards.
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
PID Values via Prodemand for this vehicle have C5, ckp sensor low at 4.98 v w ign. on, and C6,ckp sensor high at 0vw ign. on. I have to trust Prodemands PID values over the value you have stated, >10v on green wire. Values remain the same w or w/o sensor plugged in.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
I have new timing belt and temsioner. timing is perfect according to manufacturer spec. and stays in range while idling.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Bill Fisk remanned this head. compression is better than good. ?????
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
I can select this phone option if ok with you.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Nevermind it has disappeared from my screen
Auto Mechanic: Juan Crespo, Tech Trainer replied 3 years ago
I guess you mean PCM PIN voltages with the sensor connected. Did you do the test with the test light Isuzu recommends on step 29? - "29. Connect test light between ignition feed circuit at CKP sensor harness terminal No. 2 (Green wire) and ground circuit terminal No. 3 (Black/Red wire). If test light illuminates, go to step 31 . If test light does not illuminate, go to step 32"
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
I would like for you to tell Ask.com to refer me to someone else because I have not received a plausible answer to the question I have presented
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Is Prodemand wrong about 5v reference out, term. C5 blue, to ckp sensor?
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
You are referring to Cam Pos. sensor which I have no qualms with.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Blk/Yel Cam term. 3 has ignition feed.
Customer reply replied 3 years ago
1.4v out and in to and from ckp sensor w no change if plugged in. Why?
Auto Mechanic: Juan Crespo, Tech Trainer replied 3 years ago
I'll opt out and re-open the question so other experts can chime in. Please do not reply or the site will revert the question back to me. Best Regards.
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Customer reply replied 3 years ago
Have you re-opened this question yet??? I have no further comm.s from anyone about this.
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