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I have a 2005 mercury 15 HP short shaft salt water engine.

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I have a 2005 mercury 15 HP short shaft salt water engine. It starting having a bad vibration at low RPM and gets worse at higher RPM. I put a new prop on but the vibration is still in the motor. What else can cause the motor to vibrate>
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Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago
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Is the motor out of the water currently?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
out of the water. It is on a 14 foot Zodiac on a trailer.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

OK, With the motor OFF, spin the prop while you watch the center of the prop shaft, it is bent?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I put an indicator on the prop shaft, it is running within .002 true. The prop does not seam to spin as freely as i think it should.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

When was the last time the gear oil was changed?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
The gear oil was changer about 5 hours of use ago.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

So it was good, no water?

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Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Ia this a two stroke?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I was free of water however, the oil very dirty with with about 25 hours of use.
Customer reply replied 2 years ago
No it is a 4 stroke.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Alright, do you have the tools to do compression and spark on it?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
No. The motor starts and idles great. The spark plugs were changed 75 hours ago used NGK.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

This engine will start and run on 1 cyl. Hard to tell that it is not. But it will be lacking power on top end.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
OK. I will locate a compression tester and get back with you.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Sounds good. You can normally rent one from an auto pats store. A spark checker as well.

Make sure that you have the throttle opened as far is it will go with the engine in neutral before starting the test.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Chris
The Spark test was good in both cylinders, The compression on the top cylinder was 38 pounds and the lower cylinder was 35 pounds.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Ok, How does the engine oil look?

Does it vibrate even in Neutral or just in gear?

Will it also vibrate if you run it on the hose?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
The engine oil was very dirty after 25 hours. No vibration in neutral, just in gear under load. Can't hook up a hose the model as the water intake in under the cavitation plate.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Well you could put it on a flusher, you just need a special one and remove the prop.

Did you check that gear oil recently? Like in the last few days or just the last time you changed it?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
After five hours of use the oil is a little dirty. I can remove the prop and put it in the lake on the trailer and run the motor. what are we trying to do at this point? what was the compreshion when new?
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

The compression spec is no more than 55 LBS at cranking due to the compression release.

We are trying to see if the vibration is just the prop or something else.

While you have it in the water, use a good insulated pliers and remove one plug wire at a time to see if both cylinders are firing the same.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Hi Charles
Put the motor in the water, ran it at about 3/4 throttle pulled top plug wire and the motor started running bad replaced wire and motor returned to running ok. Same thing happened with the lower plug wire. Removed the prop and ran the motor it, vibrated in neutral as well as full speed. It did appear to be vibrating more from the motor area than from the lower unit.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Have you recently hit bottom of had the engine stop very suddenly?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Nope
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Replace a timing belt?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
How would the timing belt cause the vibration? Could it be a flywheel out of balance?
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

If the motor was not out of time, that would do it. Was the belt changed, or has it been off?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I bought the motor new. Have never had any problems with it with exception of the pull start assembly being replaced.. The belt is as it was from the factory.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Has it ever run hot or run with out oil?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
No. I am a little anal about checking oil level every time I used the motor. I also check the water stream at least one time while on the water. The water has always been cool.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Do you idle the engine allot?

Are the spark plug tips really black?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I do do a lot of trolling but when I have changed spark plugs they have always been brown/bronze never black or any sign of running rich.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Ok, did you buy or rent that compression gauge. I misquoted the spec.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I bought a new one.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Ok,I need for you to do it again. Make sure that the throttle is as open as you can get it in Neutral. Crank the engine over until the gauge maxes out.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
OK Will do this tomorrow/
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Sounds good. It should be around over 150.

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
Hi Charles
I tried to find out what the compression on the net. I finally called mercury direct. They told me that engine does not have a specific compression ratine. They recommend preforming a "Leak down" test that falls no less than 10% over 10 min. I preformed the leak down test. Both cylinders held at 60LB for 10min.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Would you please poist the serial number on the engine?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
The serial # ***** *****
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Thanks. Been looking around, but I cant find anything either. I will grab the manual tomorrow from the shop. It has the spec in it and I will let you know what it is.

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Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Ok,

I have the manual here with me. the compression should be 60 MAX. This is due to the compression release on the cam. When doing a leakdown test, the result will be off, unless the valve cover is removed the the compression release deactivated.

Also, when you did the test, did you use the hose from your compression tester?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
I used the hose and fitting that came with the compression tester. Sounds like the compression is good and it holds.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Before you did the leakdown test. Did you remove the valve from the hose?

Did you also use a ratchet to roll the engine over to the compression stroke of the cylinder being tested?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
The gage has a female quick disconnect on it, the hose has a male disconnect plugged on one end and a threaded fitting to connect to the spark plug hole. I screwed the correct fitting into the spark plug hole and then attached the hose to the fitting, I then attached the hose to the gage with the quick disconnect.s. I turned the engine over using the pull start rope to get the max compression.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Ok, that is a compression test. How did you do the leakdown test?

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
As per Mercury, I obtained the max. compression on the gage and started the clock. I let the compression stay on the gage at about 60 pounds for ten min. The compression only dropped about 1 or 2 pounds over that time .
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

Now I understand. What you actually tested was the holding of the valve in the end of the hose of your compression gauge. A leakdown test requires that you put compressed air to a special gauge set, then put that pressure into the cylinder, roll the engine over using the flywheel nut to TDC of the cylinder being tested. The percentage of leakdown is shown on your test tool. This article describes how to do it.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/car-maintenance/car-maintenance-archive/how-to-do-a-leakdown-test

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Customer reply replied 2 years ago
It took a while for the local marine mechanic to preform the test. He was not sure what the test was going to prove as related to the vibration but I paid for the test. The top cylinder showed 8% leakage and the bottom cylinder showed 12 % leakage. The mechanic said that was not bad for the specific engine. The mechanic thought the vibration might be coming from a bad power shaft bushing in the motor. He suggested dropping the lower unit and running the engine. I did drop the lower unit hooked up water and ran the engine, the vibration was still present.
Marine Mechanic: Charles, Marine Mechanic replied 2 years ago

The test was to see if each cylinder was functioning correctly.

With the running without the gear case, that has eliminated it. Remove the pull starter, see if you can wiggle the flywheel at all. Also try and lift it up. This will check the bearings around the crank.

Then remove the plugs, slowly turn the flywheel by hand. Insert a screwdriver into the cylinder and turn the flywheel until the piston is at the top of the stroke. UIsing the screw driver, press in on the piston, there should be no movement at all.

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