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Winchester 101 Presentation Grade. Marked Pigeon Grade on…

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Winchester 101 Presentation Grade. Marked Pigeon Grade on rib.

Expert's Assistant: How can the Gunsmith help you with your firearm? Please tell me everything you can so the Gunsmith can help you best.

Two gold pheasants with funky tail feathers on both sides. Silver inlay border. Checkered cheek pieces on stock. 30" Monte Carlo trap.unfired.

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Built several years before Bluebook of Gun Values says production started.

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Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago
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Good evening.... what is your question? Are you seeking the value for this firearm?
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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Serial # PK385511.
What is it and what is it worth?
Only a few photos like it and no production info.
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago
Are you able to post a photo here?
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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Not now but tomorrow, thanks
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago
Ok
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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Please call during business hours. 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM Pacific time.
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago
Ok...were you able to get the photos?
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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Can you call now?
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

HI....it seems that the payment required for the phone call did not go through. Customer service should be contacting you soon to remedy that.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
You have my card already. It worked just a few days ago.
Just call please.
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

I actually do not have your card. I am just the firearms expert and I have no involvement with billing unfortunately. The website rules do not allow me to call you until customer service can clear the issue. They should be contacting you shortly and then I'll be happy to proceed.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Payment info has been updated.
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

ok great. If you send the phone request again, I can accept it.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Please call
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

The system requires that you request a phone call again. The original request on my end expired.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Payment error notice will not go away. I'm just about done with this process.
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

Let me see if I can expedite things with customer service.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
All is now well with my credit card?!?!?
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

Try sending the phone request again and let's see if it goes through...

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Since I can’t get back to the screen to ask for a phone call, now what?
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

I'm not sure where the issue is....I'm looking into it.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
8220;Payment Error” shows up right after each of your texts.
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago
I'm asking the website to fix the issue.
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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Any progress?Like working with the government!
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago
I haven't heard back yet...
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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
I want to speak to your expert regarding my Winchester 101 Presentation Grade.
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

Hello again....looks like Customer Service was able to get this question unlocked so that I could continue to assist you. Are you able to post that photo of your gun so that I can research it before I call you?

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Please call between 8:30 and 3:30 today.
Pacific standard time.
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

Are you able to upload the photo?

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
after 8:30.
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

Ok great....I'll look for that when it arrives.

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Exactly which email address should the pictures be sent to?
Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

The pictures can be uploaded directly to the chat using the "add files" option.

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Firearms Expert: ProShooter, Firearms Instructor replied 3 months ago

Great....let me review and research these photos.

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Firearms Expert: Tom, Associate Degree replied 3 months ago
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Hi,

Thank you for your interest in our Firearms Appraisal service. The information you provided was used to properly identify the information below. Here is the information you requested about your Firearm taken from www.bluebookofgunvalues.com

Manufacturer/Trademark – Winchester

Model/configuration – Model 101 Trap, Pigeon Grade Super, 12 gauge

Finish (Assuming original) –Engraved blued receiver with gold inlays, extra select checkered walnut stock and forend

Serial Number – PK385511 Imported 1985 to 1987 only

Additional Information –PK prefix denotes Pigeon Grade. Prefix serial numbers started in 1968

Estimated condition based on the Photo Percentage Grading System – 98% to 100%

Estimated Value Range – Current value should be between $4800 and $5000

I trust that this information will be of interest. If you have further questions, or require assistance in the future, please feel free to contact me via pearl.com’s question service.

For other firearms related information, please visit www.bluebookofgunvalues.co

This Firearm appraisal is a value estimate on the appraised firearm for the date of the appraisal. The value quoted is a real world market value (also known as a private party value) and is the amount you should expect to pay for the firearm. This is not an appraisal for retail or wholesale purposes.

Tom

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Customer reply replied 3 months ago
Tom,
This is not a Pigeon Grade Super from the mid 80's.
It was manufactured in the mid 70's.
Pictures of this type are on two pages (242, 268) of R.L. Wilson's book "Winchester an American Legend".
It is shown with the French version of Winchester's catalog for 1976.
This 30" Trap model has fixed chokes, no tubes.
The gold inlays are quite different from the later Presentation Grade 101's. The tail feathers are all wrong.
The side panels on the butt stock are checkered but without Fleur-de-lis.
The document I got with the gun suggests that these were indeed presented to individuals by Winchester.
Cody Museum said the PK serial number was for Presentation-Kodensha.
Any help?Thanks
Firearms Expert: Tom, Associate Degree replied 3 months ago

Hi,

The serial number dates to the 80's and this is the only gun I can come up with. If someone ordered a custom gun there will be no listings for it and it is impossible to get any records.

Blue book lists all prefixes and has the "PK" as pigeon grade.

All Winchester records were turned over to BATF when they closed in 2006. I have talked to the Winchester / Browning historian a few times and all they have on Winchesters is in their memory from what they have told me.

There is a European version which is a "Model 501 Presentation Grade" that was made from 1984 to 1987. This gun sounds more like the one you have. My underestanding is that the 501 is a European version of the 101. It was made in 12 gauge only in Trap and Skeet configurations. It has presentation grade "crotch" walnut, is highly engraved, has gold inlays and silver wire borders on the perimeter of the receiver.

100% on this gun is $4000

Tom

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