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I have a photo that was taken by ***** *****, famous painter and it is dated back in 1800's or early 1900's. it has my grandfather in it branding cattle and a painting was supposedly done by Russell of this photo. how can I find the value of it and also verify that a painting was done.? thank you

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My grandfather was raised in the area that Russell lived most of his life and the ranch that it was photographed on was belonging to a Cy McCormick who is also in the photo.

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Antique Expert: Nora, Expert in Fine and Decorative Arts: Renaissance through Contemporary replied 7 months ago
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Hello, and thank you for your question. I am reviewing it now and will reply again in a moment. ~Nora

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Antique Expert: Nora, Expert in Fine and Decorative Arts: Renaissance through Contemporary replied 7 months ago

Hi,

Please send images at your convenience.

There may be an +Add Files button or if there is a toolbar with a paperclip icon showing above the box where you type in responses, then follow the steps on this link for sharing photos:

http://ww2.justanswer.com/how-do-i-send-photo-or-file-expert

~Nora

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
I am sending an image over with cover it was in and note written on cover.
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
email is fine . could you confirm that you got the file I added?
Antique Expert: Nora, Expert in Fine and Decorative Arts: Renaissance through Contemporary replied 7 months ago

Excellent, Please also send an image of the backside, letter and any other annotations with this.

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Here is scan of front and back of photo. thank you
susan
Customer reply replied 7 months ago
that was all there was with the picture. in doing research of Mr. Russell, it is all in the realm of where he did his work and photos and also same time period of my grandfathers life. This photo was passed down to my father and then to me with the story attached.
Antique Expert: Nora, Expert in Fine and Decorative Arts: Renaissance through Contemporary replied 7 months ago

Hi,

I am well-versed in Charlie Russell works and I have not found a painting match to this photo for you.

I will opt-out and open your question again to all the experts at no additional charge. If someone knows the answer they will post a response to you here. You do not need to re-list your question and this does not cost you extra. There is not a guarantee that you will receive a response.

I will not be able to respond back after opting-out

I do hope you find the information that you seek.

~Nora

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Thank you Nora and I will keep searching. hopefully someone will come forward.
Antique Expert: AppraiserJM, Antiques and Collectibles Researcher replied 7 months ago
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Hi, my name is*****'m a certified appraiser and I'd be happy to help. Please give me some time while I run a search for this subject matter among the works of Charles Marion Russell.

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Antique Expert: AppraiserJM, Antiques and Collectibles Researcher replied 7 months ago

I am afraid I do not have good news for you on this!

I have gone through the entire existing catalogue raisonne for Charles Marion Russell, as well as 818 auction records. This image is not among his known existing works.

This does not mean that an oil painting, watercolor, or sketch was not made at some point from this photograph. It just means that it did not survive to the modern era to be recorded (most likely), or it's hidden away somewhere still in a private collection and was never recorded (fairly unlikely).

Given how prolific he was with watercolors in particular, and how fragile watercolors are, and how widely he traveled in the less civilized areas of the country, it's certain that many of his works were lost in the first quarter of the 20th century.

I apologize that the information you seek is not available.

Jennifer

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Customer reply replied 7 months ago
Thank you for all your help. We will keep the good faith.
Antique Expert: AppraiserJM, Antiques and Collectibles Researcher replied 7 months ago

I don't doubt the story, as he's done quite similar compositions. I honestly just think it was likely a watercolor and likely lost to time.

Jennifer

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