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I need a Cloisonné expert. I have a piece of Champlaise that is different it's clear through and through but this piece has enamel on the bottom only and the glass isn't the same from one side to the other. It is glass pieces as expected but not the same piece through one side to the other?
Like two different slivered layers? One on outside one on inside of the 'bowl'?
There is an inset of a butterfly in the bottom.
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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
This IS NOT CHAMPLAISE!
Customer reply replied 1 year ago
It has been referred to as 'important ' by an antique dealer in San Antonio who has never seen one like this before?
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Antique Expert: Rarewares, Antiques and Collectibles Researcher replied 1 year ago
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My name is ***** ***** I would love to help. There were no pictures that came with your question.
I think you are referring to Champleve'? Please use the Add Files feature on your screen to add pictures of the item.

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Did these come through? Both types in 2 questions?
Antique Expert: Rarewares, Antiques and Collectibles Researcher replied 1 year ago

If you hold the bowl to daylight, does the light shine through like a stained glass window?

If so, that is called plique-a-jour cloisonne. This plique a jour (a technique meaning pieces of daylight) cloisonne bowl is Chinese, dating

to circa 1900 and has a value of $200 to $300.

There is not a technique called Champlaise when referring to enamel, glass and metal work.

I do hope that helps with your mystery piece!
To finish, I will need you to click the five stars at the top right of your screen and hit the green submit button, thanks!

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
No, that is the one in the other question. I sent pictures of that one. This one is not see through and no light through it.
Antique Expert: Rarewares, Antiques and Collectibles Researcher replied 1 year ago

If there is no light showing through then is is

Chinese cloisonne' with glass over metal instead of enamel over metal,

which was also one of the cloisonne techniques. This bowl

has a current value of $200 to $300 retail and would date from 1900 to 1920.

To finish, I will need you to click the five stars at the top of your screen and hit the submit button, thanks!

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
It is glass inside and out! Only enamel is on the bottom and inside the bottom is a butterfly. It looks glass over glass
Antique Expert: Rarewares, Antiques and Collectibles Researcher replied 1 year ago

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Antique Expert: Wayne, Auctioneer replied 1 year ago
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Hi,
My name is***** have been dealing in and appraising Antiques for over 40 years, and I can help you with this. This is Chinese export circa 1920 this is Cloisonné. It is enamel over copper with wires soldered to define the design. Then this is fired in a kiln and the enamel melts to a high gloss. The bottom is just plain blue enamel, a lot of times the bottom is stamped in ink with a Qing Dynasty mark of "China".

Similar pieces in quality, age, and design are selling for $200-300 at auction.

Thanks,

Wayne

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
Thanks, Wayne.
I'm a collector of Cloisanne and this is like any I've seen. As I said, the inside glass is totally separate from the outside. So it seems it has to be double glass. If it were one layer you'd see the same flower shapes both inside and outside. As I said it's nothing I've seen or appraisers of Cloisanne? I understand the usual technique of enameled Cloisanne as well as Champleve. I sent a photo of the piece of that I have. More like stained glass. I've looked online for years and finally asked an expert about the piece who had never seen a piece of Cloisanne like this one. It must be some sort of different technique? I would like to see more to compare. Like Champleve which is a type of Cloisanne I'm assuming, it should have some other name to differentiate it from what is considered traditional Cloisanne? Do you know what it's called?
Antique Expert: Wayne, Auctioneer replied 1 year ago

Hi,

You are correct this is done with 2 different types of enamel. One is powered enamel applied and fired, which is used on most Chinese cloisonné. The other is Vitreous enamel, also called porcelain enamel, is a material made by fusing powdered glass to a substrate by firing, usually between 750 and 850 °C (1,380 and 1,560 °F). The powder melts, flows, and then hardens to a smooth, durable glass like fInish.

There is no term that I know of other than cloisonné to describe the overall process.

Thanks,

Wayne

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Customer reply replied 1 year ago
I'm sure there must be a term for the technique, at least? I've never seen it nor anyone but another Just Answer expert. I've asked her the name as well. I've not heard back yet.
So why is there not more around? Cloisonne must be waiting for its day, because it is getting more scarce, in all my travels.
I really think it must have a name, though?
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