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Doris, Antiques Appraiser
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I think we may have an original oil from art dealers Joseph

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I think we may have an original oil from art dealers Joseph or Ernest Brummer. Believe they both attended art school in Paris and painted. Can we sent a photo?
Submitted: 11 months ago.
Category: Antiques
Expert:  Doris replied 11 months ago.

Hello and welcome! My name is Doris.
I have been an antiques collector, dealer and appraiser for over 56 years.
I will be pleased to help you.

What is the size, not including the frame? Do not remove from the frame.

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Customer: replied 11 months ago.
19-3/4" W x 23-3/4" H are the dimension of the stretcher on which the canvas is attached.
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
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Customer: replied 11 months ago.
There are wooden triangular shims in each corner of the stretcher
Expert:  Doris replied 11 months ago.

The style matches several paintings by Benedicte Brummer of Denmark and dating 1881-1974.

When assessing an artist's work, appraisers must look at completed sales of works by the same artist. Art gallery sales prices are private.
We must then go to auction sales prices which are public. When using comparable work by the same artist, medium, subject matter and size are factors to be considered.
Appraisers most often use price per square inch of previously sold comparable works by the same artist as a measure of value.

My research indicates that your Brummer painting would have an estimated retail value of $400-500 assuming good condition and depending on sale geographic location.

As for retail value, I have seen art sell for 4 to 5 times auction values depending on the tastes of the art gallery owner as well as location of the gallery.

In general, a private seller to a dealer, via consignment or at auction can expect 30-60% of estimated retail value.

Insurance replacement values are usually about 10% more than retail values.

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Customer: replied 11 months ago.
We viewed a wide variety of Benedictine Brenner's paintings online and do not believe they are anything like our painting. His style appears much more modern and the subject matter is different. We believe our painting is much older.
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Our painting appears to be heavy layering with palette.
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
palette knife
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
the artist signature is BRUMMER not Brenner!
Expert:  Doris replied 11 months ago.

I am so sorry you have had to wait. I was having my dinner. I am on Central time USA.

I realize the signature is Brummer.

I mentioned that your painting looks like SOME of Benedicte Brummer paintings. I realized not all.

Give me some time to research further to see what I can locate.

I thank you in advance for your patience.

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Expert:  Doris replied 11 months ago.

Where did you find the information that the Brummer's actually painted?

Joseph studied sculpture.


Joseph Brummer
"During the autumn of 1908, he shared a studio space at Cité Falguière with avant-garde sculptor Joseph Csaky, who was also from Szeged and Budapest.[2] Brummer studied sculpture under Jules-Felix Coutan, Auguste Rodin and in 1908 Henri Matisse. He also attended the Académie de la Grande Chaumière, and thus got to know contemporary artists."
Source: Wikipedia

Please send any examples of the paintings by Joseph or Ernest Brummer.

Please note the subject matter in your painting includes a windmill and a water scene - typical of Denmark.

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Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Both Joseph and Ernest studied art at the Sorbonne. I don't have examples and I don't know what the first name of our artist is. It is definitely an impressionist who uses a heavy palette knife and is very talented in perspective, composition and color. Since you've been unable to help us narrow our search beyond what we already accomplished, we would thank you for your efforts, but are not fully satisfied with the results and would therefore wish to avail ourselves of your guarantee.
Expert:  Doris replied 11 months ago.

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