Login|Contact Us
Question and Answer

VW

Ask a VW Question, Get an Answer ASAP!

  • Ask A Question
  • Browse Answers
  • Meet The Experts
  • How JustAnswer Works

03 beetle 1.8 turbo I had code P0441. The purge valve was

 
David's Avatar
  • Answered by:David
  • VW Master Technician
  • Positive Feedback: 98.8 %
  • Accepted Answers: 2127
Verified Expert
in VW

Recent Feedback

Positive
thank you very much you were very helpfull
Positive
Awesome, it worked!
Positive
Prompt, informed answers. No BS.
Positive
Great answer. Very clear.
Positive
super helpful and knows his stuff!!
Positive
thank you for the help
Positive
very helpful and saved me money. thank you very much
Positive
interisting
Positive
Thanks alot. Great info.

Customer Question

03 beetle 1.8 turbo   I had code P0441. The purge valve was replaced. Less than a year later I have P0441 back again. They checked the valve and said it was working. Where can I check or clean? Do you have any detail on recall 0107-65 OCT 07?

 

Optional Information:
2003 Volkswagen beetle 1.8 turbo

Already Tried:
My wife bought the car a year ago last august at a used car dealer. It had 29k on it, now it has 37k (fun car) We bought the extended warrenty. I have done nothing to the car, my job is wash it. On 12/19/07 the light came on p0441 the dealer replaced the purge valve (cost me $122 Labor) the same code is back. He checked the valve and says its working. I'm afraid the dealer will get rich
before he finds the problem. I'm pretty good with a wrench, I had MG's but don't know this bug

Submitted: 1651 days and 11 hours ago.
Category: VW
Value: $9
Status: CLOSED

Accepted Answer

Picture
Expert:  David replied1651 days and 11 hours ago.

 

Your vehicle requires a software flash update to your ECM, below is the tech bulletin. Take it to the dealer and have them peform the update. If your vehicle is out of warranty they will charge you for this update.


Technical Service Bulletin Transaction No.:(NNN) NNN-NNNN3
01-07-65 - Update Programming, MIL ON or Flashing, DTCs P0420, P0441, P0442 or P0456 Stored in ECM Release date: Oct 26, 2007

Condition

01 07 65 Oct. 24, 2007(NNN) NNN-NNNNSupersedes T. B. Group 01 number 07-27 dated Feb. 28, 2007 due to additional DTCs and New Software Levels.



Update Programming, MIL ON or Flashing, P0420, P0441, P0442 or P0456 Stored in ECM

Tip:

Diagnostic trouble codes stored may also include P0300 - P0304 upon cold start.



ECM requires update to enhance the following system strategies:



DTC
Description

P0300 (when cold)
Random Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected

P0301 (when cold)
Cylinder 1 Misfire Detected

P0302 (when cold)
Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected

P0303 (when cold)
Cylinder 3 Misfire Detected

P0304 (when cold)
Cylinder 4 Misfire Detected

P0420
Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold, Bank 1

P0441
Evaporative Emission System Incorrect Purge Flow

P0442
Evaporative Emission System Leak Detected (small leak)

P0456
Evaporative Emission System Leak Detected (very small leak)




Note:

DO NOT diagnose or replace components due to misfire faults before performing the update function as explained in this bulletin.

DO NOT diagnose, repair or replace Catalyst system components before performing the update function as explained in this bulletin.

DO NOT diagnose, repair or replace Evaporative system components, including the Evaporative system purge valve -N80-, before performing the update function as explained in this bulletin.

Technical Background

1. Improved ECM software resolves concerns related to:

a. Adjustment to OBD catalytic converter diagnostic parameter strategy.

b. Cold start secondary air strategy.

c. EVAP strategy change to prevent system testing below 5° C (40° F).

d. Adjustment to EVAP leak detection strategy.

e. Adjustment to diagnostic strategy tolerances for changes to air intake volume over time.



Production Solution

Software concern was identified after production was concluded.

Service

PROCEDURE:



Tool requirements

VAS 5051 or VAS 5052 (with Base CD V.11.00 and the Brand CD V.11.79.01 or higher).

“Update - Programming” (flashing) CD W42010418TSWU.

Tip:

Additional copies of the “Update - Programming” CD (Literature Number W42010418TSWU) may be ordered from the Volkswagen Technical Literature Ordering Center at www.vw.resolve.com, or by calling 1–800–544–8021 from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. EST Monday through Friday. This number can be dialed in both the United States and Canada.


Note:

Non–observance of the following points may lead to ECM failure! VAS 5051 or VAS 5052 must always be connected to the approved power supply at the approved voltages. Under no circumstances should the power supply be interrupted or the diagnostic connector unplugged during the update programming procedure.


• Ensure the following vehicle requirements are met:

? Connect vehicle to a powered Volkswagen approved Midtronics/InCharge 940 (INC-940) tester/charger

? Battery MUST have minimum no-load charge of 12.5V

? Turn off the radio and all other accessories, and when necessary, switch running lights off

? Turn off any appliances with high electromagnetic radiation (i.e. mobile phones)







Engine Control Module Update - Programming (Flashing) using CD



Tip:

When performing the update programming procedure, ALL DTCs for all systems are erased. DTCs linked to Guided Fault Finding function tests will be lost. Therefore, always address stored DTCs for Customer concerns unrelated to the update programming procedure first.

The following “Update - Programming” (flashing) process may overwrite any “TUNED” ECM/TCM programming. A “TUNED” ECM/TCM is described as any ECM/TCM altered so as to perform outside the normal parameters and specifications approved by Volkswagen of America, Inc.



If you encounter a vehicle with a “Tuned” ECM/TCM, prior to performing the “Update - Programming” (flashing) procedure:

• Your Dealership should place the vehicle owner on notice in writing, that their ECM/TCM was found to have been tuned, and that any damage caused by the tuning of the ECM/TCM (including any adverse emissions consequences) will not be covered by Volkswagen of America, Inc. warranties.

• For any repair requested by the owner under warranty or outside warranty that requires update programming, which will automatically wipe out the “Tuning” program, your Dealership should advise the owner of the above and get Owner’s written consent (see attached Control Module Tuning form) to the update programming procedure.



Tip:

Before update programming, delete the fault memory in the ECM. Update programming is not possible when an EEPROM fault is active.



Reprogram ECM with CD - Part number W42010418TSWU.


• Insert the programming CD into the VAS 5051 / 5052, and access the ECM.




Tip:

If the update programming button does not appear, the latest version has already been installed to the level below.


Programming starts by pressing the “Update Programming” button and following the on screen prompts.


Note:

Once update programming begins, on NO occasion should the Cancel button be selected.


• Press the “Update Programming” button.



Tip:

Once update programming is complete, switch ignition OFF for 30 seconds.

After a minimum of 30 seconds, switch ignition ON.

Once update programming is complete, it is recommended to use 1001- Compiling Services prompt to clear faults stored in various control modules.


• Reset readiness code.



Model
Engine
Old Software Part No.
Old Software Version
New Software Part No.
New Software Version (or higher)

New Beetle, New Beetle Convertible
1.8L T
06A997012
All
06A997012
9777

06A997012A
06A997012A
9776

06A997012B
06A997012B
9775

06A997012C
06A997012C
9778

06A906032QA
06A997012
9777

06A906032PR
06A997012A
9776

06A906032PT
06A997012B
9775

06A906032PS
06A997012C
9778

06A906032EM
06A906032EM
9774

06A906032FD
06A906032FD
9773




Tip:

For vehicle with cold start misfire DTCs P0300-P0304, also add approved fuel additive to fuel tank before returning vehicle to customer. See technical bulletin(NNN) NNN-NNNN

If vehicle returns after software update and consumption of entire fuel tank with fuel additive with cold start misfire DTCs P0300-P0304, select the "Technical Assistance" tab in ElsaWeb and follow the instructions to obtain a 6 digit pin.



Warranty


To determine if this procedure is covered under Warranty, always refer to the Warranty Policies and Procedures Manual *

Model(s)
Year(s)
Eng. Code(s)
Trans. Code(s)
VIN Range From
VIN Range To

New Beetle, New Beetle Convertible
2001 - 2004
1.8L

(AWP, AWU, AWV)
All
All
All

Claim Type:
Use applicable Claim Type *

Part Identifier:
2470

Damage Code:
2470 39 _ _ _** 1

Labor Operation:
24702599 = Maximum A-Time allowed = 90 TU

Diagnostic Time ***

GFF Time expenditure
01509999 = xx TU max.
NO

Road Test
01210002 & 01210004
NO

Technical Diagnosis
0132xxxx = XX TU max.
NO

Claim Comment: Input “As per Technical Bulletin(NNN) NNN-NNNNrdquo; in comment section of Warranty Claim.


* Vehicle may be outside any Warranty in which case this Technical Bulletin is informational only.

** Code per warranty vendor code policy.

*** Documentation required per Warranty Policy & Procedures Manual



Required Parts and Tools

Description
Part No:
Quantity

CD
W42010418TSWU
1



No Special Tools required.

Additional Information

All part and service references provided in this Technical Bulletin are subject to change and/or removal. Always check with your Parts Dept. and Repair Manuals for the latest information.



.

David39792.7346979977

Expert TypeVW Master Technician
Category: VW
Pos. Feedback: 98.8 %
Accepts: 2127
Answered: 12/10/2008

Experience: VW Master Technician Certified for 9 years, ASE Master Technician Certified

Ask this Expert a Question >
Customer replied1651 days and 10 hours ago.

Thanks Dave, You saved me some $ , great web!

Picture
Expert:  David replied1651 days and 9 hours ago.

Thank you for the accept. Please let us know if you need any further help

 

Thank you for using Just AnswerSmile

 
Tweet

5 VW Mechanics are Online Right Now

Ask Your Question Now
Ask A VW Mechanic
Type Your VW Question Here...
characters left:

Top VW Experts

See More VW Mechanics

In The News

Nbc
Washington Post
New York Times
Cnn
Learn More

How It Works

  • Ask an Expert
  • Get a Professional Answer
  • Ask Followup Questions
  • 100% Satisfaction Guarantee
Learn More

Ask a VW Mechanic

Get a Professional Answer. 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed.
115 VW Mechanics are Online Now
Type Your VW Question Here...
characters left:
Disclaimer: Information in questions, answers, and other posts on this site ("Posts") comes from individual users, not JustAnswer; JustAnswer is not responsible for Posts. Posts are for general information, are not intended to substitute for informed professional advice (medical, legal, veterinary, financial, etc.), or to establish a professional-client relationship. The site and services are provided "as is" with no warranty or representations by JustAnswer regarding the qualifications of Experts. To see what credentials have been verified by a third-party service, please click on the "Verified" symbol in some Experts' profiles. JustAnswer is not intended or designed for EMERGENCY questions which should be directed immediately by telephone or in-person to qualified professionals.
Truste
Contact Us | Terms of Service | Privacy & Security | About Us | Our Network
© 2003-2013 JustAnswer LLC
  • Pearl.com
  • JustAnswer UK
  • JustAnswer Germany
  • JustAnswer Spanish
  • JustAnswer Japan