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Thanks for your question regarding your boy Duke
When did you notice this splatter?
Have you seen him defecate today?
I noticed it just as I was going to put him to bed ...about 30 minutes ago. I changed his litter & fed him around 7:30 this evening. He ate his dinner. Litter seems normal - I see poop, but no signs of loose stool.
Great to hear. It sounds as though Duke is pretty healthy and happy.
There are a few things this splatter could be
What are you thoughts on this?
Does it look like anything you have fed him?
Adopted him from local shelter. He's very happy & full of energy.
Just so you know - rabbits cannot vomit, so that rules that out
It also sounds like his feces are a normal consistency which is EXCELLENT
Also the fact he still has a good appetite is great to hear. Typically if he had gut stasis or bloat, he wouldn't even look at his food let alone eat it
Ya, looks like vomit ...but I know they can't. But his poop looks normal. He's got very routine bathroom habits.
Trying to remember ....I gave him a small baby carrot last night, but that's it.
Could this have been from bird droppings or another animal if it was outside of the cage?
Other than that, it's just pellets, hay & lettuce
Ultimately, it sounds as though Duke is absolutely fine at the moment
no - he's indoors & no other animals here
Ok I see
So long as he is still eating as per normal and his feces look normal, that is a very good start
Maybe it's the new bunny mommy in me, but I'm really worried - 1st scare
Just so you know - lettuce isn't recommended for rabbits
This can cause diarrhea
I know it seems crazy given all the rabbit story books out there!
I called a few urgent care clinics & that's what they all said - that they think he's ok 'til morning
but yes - do avoid lettuce
REALLY?!? Both shelter & vet told me to feed him lettuce
His diet should be 80% high quality hay - preferably timothy hay or something similar
he eats a lot of that
yes, he has access to Orchard Timothy Hay at all times
10% fresh greens (Romaine, collard, parsley, cilantro, dandelion are great)
5 - 10% pallets
Yes, try and avoid lettuce
he's just under 5 lbs, what's the best mix of pellets & greens, in quantity?
Romaine lettuce (as above) is ok
You can read more here: http://www.rspca.org.uk/allaboutanimals/pets/rabbits/diet/myths
I give him Spring Mix - should I stop that entirely?
Ooo - sorry, quantity is difficult
I was told it was good for him to have a mix of different kinds of greens
It depends on the types of lettuce in that
Yes, most greens are good
typical 'iceburg' lettuce causes diarrhea
yes I heard about iceberg ...I don't give him that
small quantities of dark leafy varities is fine
he eats the dark green & purple-ish colors of lettuce
but free access to good quality hay is a good start
he has all the hay he can eat
a handful of mixed fresh greens 2 - 3 x daily
so what do you think the "carrot puree" splatter is?
No more than 1/8 of a cup of pellets per day
I doubt it is from your boy
As you know - it can't be vomit
It is very unlikely to be diarrhea (given how you have described it, plus the normal feces you have seen in his tray)
it has to be from him. I just had the carpets cleaned, it's by his cage, and there's no one here except me & Duke
perhaps he chewed some of the carrot and lost some out of his mouth?
That would be all I could think of to be honest
There would be no other logical explanation
it's sprayed ...not just dribbled out of his mouth. Plus, that's nowhere near where I feed him treats
The other option is that it could be a nasal or penile discharge
But to be that color is very unlikely
he's been fixed, no nasal drip that I've ever seen
...and it made it almost a foot out of his cage
So that rules those out!
Still the most logical explanation is that this came out of his mouth
How it got a foot away from the cage I don't know!
I think that will remain a mystery :-)
but he hasn't eaten anything in 3 hours
mystery isn't working for me ....I'm scared
Don't panic. We won't be able to work out what the carrot looking material was without having your Vet check it in person
In the meantime, you can keep an eye on your boy
It sounds as though he is currently happy and healthy
The fact he hasn't eaten in 3 hours isn't a concern
More than 12 would be a worry
You could try him with a few fresh greens now if you have some?
he hasn't eaten because he finished his dinner (by 8 pm).
I'm not worried about that - he's eating hay.
I was just saying he hadn't eaten recently in reference to your comment about it likely coming out of his mouth
Did you see him eat the carrot you gave him last night?
Or could this still have been in his cage?
nope, he ate it
he inhales carrots - he doesn't leave a trace behind
I don't feel comfortable leaving him alone tonight. If I sleep out here tonight by his cage, are there signs / noises he would likely make if in distress?
The main thing to monitor would be his breathing
We would typically assess a bunnies health by 1.) whether they are eating 2.) their stools
and of course their respiratory rates
If he becomes reluctant to move and is breathing very quickly ( > 60 breaths per minute) then get him to your local ER Vet
guess I'll just watch him tonight, but I'm still feeling very uneasy about it
From what you have seen and what you have told me, there is no need to go straight to an ER Vet
As you are uneasy, I would recommend keeping an eye on him if you can stay awake
I haven't been able to find an after-hours clinic that treats rabbits. Do you have a list of any that you could provide?
I am sure he will be fine, but it will probably calm you if you know he is doing ok by keeping an eye on him
I don't have a list of ER Vets that treat rabbits, but I do have a list of ER Vets?
Where are you based?
Orange County, CA
Did you try: orangecountyemergencyvet.com/ ?
no, I'll try that.
Again - from what you have said to me, I don't think there is a need to rush him to an ER Vet
But, it is handy for you to have a contact IF you need it
thanks - appreciate it
Keep an eye on him as above
Feed him as recommended above
Do get him seen if his respiratory rates goes very high, or if he goes off food altogether, or stops defecating
I called number on that website - they said they didn't have a doctor onsite tonight that treats bunnies, and that was it....said sorry, and hung up!!
All Vets can treat rabbits
And an ER Vet will treat a rabbit if it comes in to them
not a single one that I've called
They will - it is their job, so don't panic about that
It would be more of a matter of finding an ER Vet with a Vet available!
but they may not be versed in rabbit GI issues ....they've told me that
Still a physical exam by a Vet might be more useful than no physical exam at all
Let me do another quick check for ER Vets for you
I'd appreciate it ....someone that can actually help
These aren't ER Vets - but just so you have it, some great Bunny Vets in Orange County: http://www.bunnybunch.org/vetnews2.html
Have you tried: http://www.pethospitalorange.com
i'll try them
The Westminster Veterinary Group Dr. Tia Greenburg Dr. Naomi Barns Dr. Fumie YamatoXXXXX Westminster, CA 92683(NNN) NNN-NNNN/p>
Arbor Animal Hospital Dr. Daryl MableyXXXXX Ste F Irvine, CA 92620(NNN) NNN-NNNN/p>
Northwood Animal Hospital Dr. Gayle RobertsXXXXXbr/> Irvine, CANNN-NN-NNNNbr/>(NNN) NNN-NNNN/p>
Hopefully one of these can help you
The last three are exotic vets who deal with rabbits all the time
Northwood Animal Hospital / Gayle Roberts is his vet
Drs Heidi Casale, Andrea Glasser -- VCA Rossmoor El Dorado Animal Hospital 10832 Los Alamitos Boulevard, Los Alamitos, CA(NNN) NNN-NNNN
Dr Tia Greenberg -- The Westminster Veterinary Group XXXXX Westminster, CA(NNN) NNN-NNNN http://www.westminsterveterinarygroup.com
Dr Tom Greek -- Eastlake Animal Hospital 20429 E Yorba Linda Boulevard, Yorba Linda, CA ((NNN) NNN-NNNN
Dr Mabley -- Arbor Animal Hospital XXXXX Ste F Irvine, CA(NNN) NNN-NNNN
It would be really great if you could monitor him tonight and get him to Gayle tomorrow if you still aren't happy
I think monitoring him tonight is the best plan
In the meantime, perhaps call around a few of the links I have given you to see if you can find an ER Vet who deals with rabbits
If you don't have any luck with that, then I would definitely recommend asking Gayle who she would recommend you call after hours so you have a number on hand should you ever need it
I have to log off for the next couple of hours, but I will be available after that should you need me again
Is there anything else I can help with before I leave?
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