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What a story! A cat with a rat with a warble! Where is the rat now?
Yes, this sounds like a warble fly, or cuterebra larva. Once it crawls out, the cycle is over. The hole it leaves behind usually just heals closed.
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I hope you killed the warble. Did the cat kill the rat?
There should not be any harm to your cat, unless he picked up a new baby warble from the rat's den.
Give him a good combing and/or bath.
Or apply a good safe product like Advantage or Frontline.
Please let me know if you have any more questions, or if I can help with anything else.
the cat possibly caused enough injury to the rat to cause it to die by the next morning. i had left it in a box with a lid. I put the warble if thats what it was, and took it to the vet the next day whaen i had an appointment for my dog. He said it was a chigger. I looked up chigger. Thats not at all what it looked like. It was a big fat grub!!!! I live in L.A. could my dogs or cat get this. This larve is said
Yes, chiggers are very small.
The way cats or rabbits or rats get these parasites is to contact the egg, laid by a fly, usually at the entrance to the den of a rabbit or rat. The egg sticks to the fur, hatches, and a tiny grub digs into the skin and grows. Unless it is removed, it eventually leaves its host after pupating and hatching as a fly.
Have you heard of warbles infecting dogs. Why didn't the vet know what it was? Are they common in L.A./cal.
If you comb your cat, or bathe him, or put Frontline or Advantage on him, or give him a dose of Capstar, any tiny parasites he picked up will be removed or killed.
I have seen them in dogs, yes.
I do not know if they are common in CA. I first saw one the very first day I worked for a vet in PA, in 1974, and see them often here in New Mexico.
I used frontline the next am. Its my understanding that the larvae goes thru the body before it surfaces under the skin and that takes
It usually stays just beneath the skin, but they have been known to go deeper, even into the brain.
So a good reason to regularly use a good parasite control on cats that go outside. If a cat is regularly treated, any eggs they pick up in their fur will die after hatching, before they burrow.
It was so disgusting. Is it also called a cattle grub?
Yes, they are seen on cattle, and called grubs or warbles.
welcome to my world. I once had a client faint watching me remove one of these from his cat.
They are indeed disgusting.
But also just another creature trying to live its life. Yours did not get to complete its life cycle. So sad, too bad.
I read they go thru the hosts system . I surprised they don't kill the host. the thing was as big as the poor little rats head. When I first saw the rat I thought he had 2 heads. So you,re pretty sure it was a warble fly larvae?
I can't tell for sure without seeing it, but your description sure sounds like one.
They can migrate through the host, but usually do not.
It looks like the picture on the internet. yuk. I'm dissapointed
Sorry, sent b4 i was finished. Im disappointed that the vet called it a chigger which it surely is not. Do you know where I could get more info on the warble/
I am sure there is lots on the Internet.
Couldn't really find much. Can i ask a question re my dog/
Yes, you can ask about your dog!
Thanks. She was loosing hair on her haunches and the skin became hyper pigmented and flakey. She was put on thyroid meds and vit pills and a round of antibiotics. She's worse. She' still active and happy. She's a sheltie mix and 13 yrs. The vet wants to biopsy for cushiness. anything else come to mind as a possible cause?
Is that area itchy for her?
She doesn't seem to be itchy. I rarely see her scratching
I would do skin scraping to look for tiny parasites in the hair follicles called mites. If she is itchy, it could be some sort of allergic reaction.
If she is not itchy, Cushings is a good thing to rule out. There is a urine test, called a UCCR or urine cortisol creatinine ratio, that is a good simple screening test for Cushings. If the UCCR is normal, it is not Cushings. If the UCCR is abnormal, Cushings is not definite, more testing is required.
A skin biopsy is a good, fairly non invasive test to figure out a skin problem.
I bath her with medicated shampoo weekly. She's never had an allergy b4. Hm-m-m urine test. Yes. Sounds cheaper than a biopsy too. I can't imagined its mites as she gets frontline.
Frontline does not prevent mites, but they are more common in younger dogs.
If she had mites wouldn't my other dog hav e mites?
Some mites are contagious, yes, but Demodex mites are an individual thing related to the immune system.
But I also think she would show more signs of itchy. yes/no?
Yes, with mites she would probably be itchy. I just do skin scrapings because it is cheap and easy and I do not want to miss something.
Cheap? He wants 270 bucks
For a skin scraping? Or a biopsy?
Oh yeah it was a biopsy. whats the diff?
I do a skin scraping before a biopsy because years ago I did a biopsy, which does cost more because you have to do sedation or anesthesia, and there is a lab charge by the pathologist, and it came back as scabies mites which I should have caught with a simple skin scraping. Taught me never to do a biopsy until I do a skin scraping.
A skin scraping is just scraping off some skin cells and looking at them under a microscope for mites.
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Very good point. This vet has not yet learned this lesson. Would it be smart to to do the urine test before the biopsy for cushiness?
I would, yes. Again, an easy test done on a urine sample you collect.
If it is normal, this is not Cushings.
It might be tricky for me to get a urine sample.
She pees on the lawn and would probably stop and move if i got near her with a container.
You can leave her at the vet until they collect one, as well.
I will be gone a moment, dog has to go out!
Thats the ticket. OK urine sample and skin scraping next Thank you
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Oh i do have another question re my other dogs tail. He has a little round spot on the top of his tail that hair has fallen out of maybe 1/2" and the hair follicles and dark and greasy looking. I was told it a scent gland issue. Whats that about? He's a dachas mix and 12 yrs
Yes, there is a gland a few inches down the tail, and sometimes dogs lose hair there, and it can look greasy and oily. Sometimes topical anti inflammatory medication like Cortaid helps.
So its not hormonal? I've used med shampoo cortisone cream and anti biotic cream. Its still there. 3 months now.
Is he neutered?
then it is probably not hormonal.
So just use the creams?
Sometimes these are infections, and need antibiotics. I like a topical antibiotic called mupirocin. Benzoyl peroxide, an acne treatment, may also help.
Yes, you could try treating topically, and if that does not help, he may need antibiotics.
I put him on anti biopics left over from a lipoma removal for 10 days. No results.
Then try the ointments. You can try all three together, or one at a time.
I'll do that. thanks again. XXXXX look for you under rebeccavet another time?
Yes, you can.
OK Good night