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HI, today i have get penalty fee on Landsowne Court, Slough,

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today i have get penalty fee on Landsowne Court, Slough, Company PCM uk liminted Slough
Breach. Parked outside of marked bay, on restrickted roadway, paved areas etc
Yes i have parked on pave, just 40 cm with right front wheel on the pave and a bit grass. I am resident in Lansdwne court and have permint to park in this area.i have stayed there so many times and never get penalty for that, just today.
Yesterday evening, when i came home parking area was full so i did not want to block another cars, so i parked on pave just 40 cm on it. It not sign nowhere around, just one on the building, where i am living.
Last two months i paid them 120 pounds, because i forgot to put my permint on windows. And to be honest i am not happy to pay for this silly mistake of 40 cm.. Is there any change i can appeal for this ? I appeild so many times before, when i did not put permint behind my screen , but never won.... Thank you for your answere. Petr

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is there any mention of the council on this fine in the small print?
Customer: replied 3 years ago.

for jomo1972

Hi, no there is no information about council on PCM paper fine charge


This is a private land fine. They are not parking fines whatever they may look like. I realise that many of them mimic those issued by the council or the police but they do not have the same authority.
A private land firm is not an emanation of the state. It does not have the right to punish you for the manner of your parking any more than your neighbours do.
This is essentially an invoice arising from a civil dispute. They say that you accepted a contract by parking there and breached it by staying too long or otherwise parking at variance with the contract.
Private land fines used to be very easy to escape by refusing the details of the driver. They only have a contract with the driver. Unfortunately the Protection of Freedoms Act came into force in October 2012 and it makes the registered keeper liable for the penalty if he does not disclose the details of the driver within 28 days.
All that means is that the claim runs against the registered keeper. It just makes it easier to find the person against whom there should be enforcement.
The chances are high that they will not sue. Even though the law has recently changed in their favour and they were quite aggressive in the beginning, they do not sue in the majority of cases.
If they do sue then they would only have a claim for the sum of the original fine plus about £35 in costs. They will send you debt collection letters in which they will threaten to sue you for their debt collection costs. Do not be intimidated by that. They have no claim for that.
Even if they do go to court, they would still have to prove that the signs are adequate and clear. Quite often they are not.
Also, they will have to prove that they have suffered loss. They may be able to claim a very small amount in administration costs but it is going to be the sum they are trying to claim from you. Their loss would seem to amount to no more than about £5.
They will send you some very nasty letters though. You will get debt collection letters making threats of legal action. They will probably get Graham Whyte solicitors to write to you as well. None of these are anything to worry about. It will not impact upon your credit history and it will not add to the costs.
Unless you actually get a court summons, none of these correspondences have any legal basis. If you do get a court summons then you can always part admit the claim and offer £5 for their loss.
Hope this helps. Please let me know if you need more information.
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