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Thank you for the info. I thought as much but its good to have it confirmed. One last thing though. A friend's company went into liquidation quite a few years ago and the directors of that company had quite a large refund from HMRC. Some company dealing in tax affairs actually approached them and did all the paper work etc. and were successful in obtaining this refund but unfortunately my friends cannot remember what or how it all came about. Would you have any ideas?