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I have been employed as a customer relations manager with RBS for some years now. As a result of necessary cost cutting, I am losing my job within a few weeks. However, I have been asked to continue working for RBS for a further 6 months, not as a permanent employee but rather via an agency on a day-to-day basis. I suppose a bit like a consultancy. I will be paid by the agency at twice my present salary.

The agency tells me that there are three routes I can take:
1 – I can receive weekly payments direct from the agency with PAYE deducted (tricky to balance monthly and quarterly direct debits etc).
2 – I can set up a limited company with me as director (I would have to do all the admin and find a tax accountant for the rest, etc – not particularly onerous).
3 – I could work for an 'umbrella' company which would charge a small fee from the money the agency pays to them but sort out all tax and admin and pay me monthly on the date of my choice and provide holiday/sick pay).

Something to bear in mind is that I am told that I will not be able to claim travel and meals as expenses as this contract will mean I will have been on the same site for over two years. This detracts from the 'expenses led' options.

At the end of the 6 months, I am intending to buy a franchise operation and run my own business.

Which, in your opinion, is the best route for me to take or perhaps none of the above routes but a completely different one?

Thanks, Christopher.

 

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Expert:  SamTax replied 409 days and 7 hours ago.

Hi Christopher

 

Thanks for your question

 

Both the limited company and Umbrella company options (which is the same as a limited company) are in breach of the IR35 legislation, which states, were it not for the company, would the individual in fact be an employee, and the answer is yes,plus you will work just for the one business, so you have to choose option 1, be paid through PAYE with the agency.

 

I would also point out, even if this was a accurate procedural way of engaging a contract - you may be lulled into thinking there are tax savings to be had with the limited company and umbrella company, but in these agency set ups, you also have to suffer the Class1 employer National Insurance, a further 13.8% on your income (with first £5304 a year free) which they seem to fail to tell individuals.

 

I have also added a link here re IR35 for your information

 

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ir35/

 

And as a PAYE employee, travel to and from work is not an allowable expense nor is food. (And food is never allowable if self employed/limited company or when you start this franchise)

 

Thanks

 

Sam

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Customer replied 408 days and 16 hours ago.

From what you say, it seems that if I work on contract for the bank only, then route 1 is what I should choose.

 

However, if I also accept an invitation to do some work for another bank, I presume that the situation would change.

 

Also what happens if after I start my franchise business and work for the agency in any spare time I have..

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Expert:  SamTax replied 408 days and 16 hours ago.

Hi

 

Thanks for your response

 

Yes for now Option 1 is the only route, but even if you pick up this work also with another bank you need to consider certain aspects as to whether you can go the limited company route, by looking at whether the work you do could be treated as anything other than employment (so in essence self employment)

Such as

Do you advertise your services and have more than one client

Do you use your own tools for the work

Do you work the hours that suit you

Can you make a profit as well as a loss on the work

Do you work in your own premises

 

 

I have added a link for the employment status information which also has a tool linked to it where you answer yes/no or select from a drop down menu, to establish your status of employment http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/working/intro/empstatus.htm

 

 

Thanks

 

Sam

 

 

 

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